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georgenorman 09 Apr 23 8.11am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle What part of it do you find ridiculous ? The fact that the entire Muslim faith follows the practise of fasting during daylight hours for 30 days a year to help themselves cleanse & understand the suffering of those that went before ? Or the part about following the breaking of the fast at Iftar - (when the sun goes down) or that on certain occasions the Iftar timing will fall during a competitive sporting event ? Just as an FYI: The Hadjira (Lunar) calendar is 11 days shorter that the Gregorian one (that Christians follow) so the scheduling of Ramadhan alters each year accordingly. Fasting during the summer months is particularly challenging - What I find ridiculous, is that a sports event should be interrupted because of some religious rite. If the religious activity is so important to the player, they should ask to be dropped from the game.
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georgenorman

09 Apr 23 8.11am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

What part of it do you find ridiculous ?
The fact that the entire Muslim faith follows the practise of fasting during daylight hours for 30 days a year to help themselves cleanse & understand the suffering of those that went before ?

Or the part about following the breaking of the fast at Iftar - (when the sun goes down)

or that on certain occasions the Iftar timing will fall during a competitive sporting event ?

Just as an FYI: The Hadjira (Lunar) calendar is 11 days shorter that the Gregorian one (that Christians follow) so the scheduling of Ramadhan alters each year accordingly.

Fasting during the summer months is particularly challenging -

What I find ridiculous, is that a sports event should be interrupted because of some religious rite. If the religious activity is so important to the player, they should ask to be dropped from the game.

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georgenorman 09 Apr 23 8.14am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Whilst I am serious on the topic of Ramadhan I thought I would share this story with you - One evening flying out of Salalah (bottom end of Oman) up to Muscat (the Capital) a flight lasting about 50 minutes, Iftar fell about 15 minutes after take off (just as the dates & milk were being served) but because of the direction & speed of the plane we were actually staying just ahead of the setting sun (so we didnt see darkness) you could imagine the confusion on the plane with about 80% of the passengers fasting all looking at each other trying to establish if it was really iftar or not - Maybe it was one of those times when you had to be there to appreciate it - You seriously think, that if Allah exists, he would give a hoot either way?
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09 Apr 23 8.14am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Whilst I am serious on the topic of Ramadhan I thought I would share this story with you -

One evening flying out of Salalah (bottom end of Oman) up to Muscat (the Capital) a flight lasting about 50 minutes, Iftar fell about 15 minutes after take off (just as the dates & milk were being served) but because of the direction & speed of the plane we were actually staying just ahead of the setting sun (so we didnt see darkness) you could imagine the confusion on the plane with about 80% of the passengers fasting all looking at each other trying to establish if it was really iftar or not -

Maybe it was one of those times when you had to be there to appreciate it -

You seriously think, that if Allah exists, he would give a hoot either way?

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Dubai Eagle 09 Apr 23 8.15am
Maybe there will end up being some sort of compromise where, for example, its treated like a player going off for treatment, the game continues whilst the player breaks his fast & afterwards he is allowed to re-join the game - Then its up to the club to decide how important that specific player & his individual beliefs are to the situation that they are in - for example there was a player recently who was excluded from a game because he was fasting & the coach said it was because the player was unable to follow pre game protocol (presumably, this meant taking on enough proteins & to be sufficiently hydrated to participate fully in the game)
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Dubai Eagle

09 Apr 23 8.15am

Maybe there will end up being some sort of compromise where, for example, its treated like a player going off for treatment, the game continues whilst the player breaks his fast & afterwards he is allowed to re-join the game -

Then its up to the club to decide how important that specific player & his individual beliefs are to the situation that they are in - for example there was a player recently who was excluded from a game because he was fasting & the coach said it was because the player was unable to follow pre game protocol (presumably, this meant taking on enough proteins & to be sufficiently hydrated to participate fully in the game)

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Dubai Eagle 09 Apr 23 8.28am
If the teams don't agree or the rules don't allow it, then its a discussion for the player & the club to decide what's the best outcome - these days pretty much every smartphone can tell you exactly what time sundown is going to be on any given day, so in line with whatever time KO occurs they can make a decision for the player to either be excluded from the game, to not start but be available off the bench (after he has broken his fast) or to start & then be substituted at some pre agreed time, its not that difficult -
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Dubai Eagle

09 Apr 23 8.28am

If the teams don't agree or the rules don't allow it, then its a discussion for the player & the club to decide what's the best outcome - these days pretty much every smartphone can tell you exactly what time sundown is going to be on any given day, so in line with whatever time KO occurs they can make a decision for the player to either be excluded from the game, to not start but be available off the bench (after he has broken his fast) or to start & then be substituted at some pre agreed time, its not that difficult -

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Dubai Eagle 09 Apr 23 8.38am
There is definitely an argument that it could be considered the thin end of the wedge, i.e if you allow this where does it end & I can totally understand that viewpoint - in that respect as I have said below if the rules don't allow it then its up to the club & player to consider the best course of action. Originally posted by georgenorman What I find ridiculous, is that a sports event should be interrupted because of some religious rite. If the religious activity is so important to the player, they should ask to be dropped from the game.
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Dubai Eagle

09 Apr 23 8.38am

There is definitely an argument that it could be considered the thin end of the wedge, i.e if you allow this where does it end & I can totally understand that viewpoint - in that respect as I have said below if the rules don't allow it then its up to the club & player to consider the best course of action.

Originally posted by georgenorman

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Dubai Eagle 09 Apr 23 8.50am
The anecdote was more about peer pressure & the unfortunate situation that they found themselves in - Originally posted by georgenorman You seriously think, that if Allah exists, he would give a hoot either way?
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Dubai Eagle

09 Apr 23 8.50am

The anecdote was more about peer pressure & the unfortunate situation that they found themselves in -

Originally posted by georgenorman

You seriously think, that if Allah exists, he would give a hoot either way?

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Pembroke Bristol 09 Apr 23 9.23am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle What part of it do you find ridiculous ? The fact that the entire Muslim faith follows the practise of fasting during daylight hours for 30 days a year to help themselves cleanse & understand the suffering of those that went before ? Or the part about following the breaking of the fast at Iftar - (when the sun goes down) or that on certain occasions the Iftar timing will fall during a competitive sporting event ? Just as an FYI: The Hadjira (Lunar) calendar is 11 days shorter that the Gregorian one (that Christians follow) so the scheduling of Ramadhan alters each year accordingly. Fasting during the summer months is particularly challenging - Its not necessary. If the fasting player isn’t fit enough use the squad, if supplements are needed for an ultra fit athlete use them before kick off, at half time, go to the sidelines and grab a gel like cyclists, or go off the pitch while the game is on. Football here does not have breaks in the game here for religion, or religions.
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Bristol 09 Apr 23 9.23am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

What part of it do you find ridiculous ?
The fact that the entire Muslim faith follows the practise of fasting during daylight hours for 30 days a year to help themselves cleanse & understand the suffering of those that went before ?

Or the part about following the breaking of the fast at Iftar - (when the sun goes down)

or that on certain occasions the Iftar timing will fall during a competitive sporting event ?

Just as an FYI: The Hadjira (Lunar) calendar is 11 days shorter that the Gregorian one (that Christians follow) so the scheduling of Ramadhan alters each year accordingly.

Fasting during the summer months is particularly challenging -

Its not necessary. If the fasting player isn’t fit enough use the squad, if supplements are needed for an ultra fit athlete use them before kick off, at half time, go to the sidelines and grab a gel like cyclists, or go off the pitch while the game is on.

Football here does not have breaks in the game here for religion, or religions.

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becky over the moon 09 Apr 23 9.44am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle A couple of years ago there was a break in our game against Leicester so that one of their players could break his fast and they were fulsome in their praise of us for allowing it. That's the one! Both Fofana and Kouyate broke their fasts - April 2021 If I remember correctly, if no-one had commented on it, most people wouldn't have noticed as it actually took less time than Manu player spend arguing with the ref after any tackle on one of their players... Edited by becky (09 Apr 2023 9.45am) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 09 Apr 23 9.44am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

A couple of years ago there was a break in our game against Leicester so that one of their players could break his fast and they were fulsome in their praise of us for allowing it.

That's the one! Both Fofana and Kouyate broke their fasts - April 2021

If I remember correctly, if no-one had commented on it, most people wouldn't have noticed as it actually took less time than Manu player spend arguing with the ref after any tackle on one of their players...

Edited by becky (09 Apr 2023 9.45am)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Apr 23 9.49am
Originally posted by Pembroke Its not necessary. If the fasting player isn’t fit enough use the squad, if supplements are needed for an ultra fit athlete use them before kick off, at half time, go to the sidelines and grab a gel like cyclists, or go off the pitch while the game is on. Football here does not have breaks in the game here for religion, or religions. But it does have mandatory water breaks This topic is simple dog whistle nonsense. Get a sense of proportion and move on like the rest of the world. Dubai Eagle has been highly articulate and made the point well, as has Becky Edited by Mapletree (09 Apr 2023 9.50am)
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Croydon 09 Apr 23 9.49am

Originally posted by Pembroke

Football here does not have breaks in the game here for religion, or religions.

But it does have mandatory water breaks

This topic is simple dog whistle nonsense. Get a sense of proportion and move on like the rest of the world. Dubai Eagle has been highly articulate and made the point well, as has Becky

Edited by Mapletree (09 Apr 2023 9.50am)

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Dubai Eagle 09 Apr 23 10.05am
As someone else was saying earlier, currently both sides have to agree to a break & inform the referee beforehand - if both sides have Muslim players fasting then its likely not going to be an issue - If the PL decides that its not something that they want to allow then there are plenty of ways for a club / player to work around it with the game continuing. Originally posted by Pembroke Its not necessary. If the fasting player isn’t fit enough use the squad, if supplements are needed for an ultra fit athlete use them before kick off, at half time, go to the sidelines and grab a gel like cyclists, or go off the pitch while the game is on. Football here does not have breaks in the game here for religion, or religions.
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Dubai Eagle

09 Apr 23 10.05am

As someone else was saying earlier, currently both sides have to agree to a break & inform the referee beforehand - if both sides have Muslim players fasting then its likely not going to be an issue -
If the PL decides that its not something that they want to allow then there are plenty of ways for a club / player to work around it with the game continuing.

Originally posted by Pembroke

Football here does not have breaks in the game here for religion, or religions.

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Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 23 10.11am
Originally posted by becky That's the one! Both Fofana and Kouyate broke their fasts - April 2021 If I remember correctly, if no-one had commented on it, most people wouldn't have noticed as it actually took less time than Manu player spend arguing with the ref after any tackle on one of their players... Edited by becky (09 Apr 2023 9.45am) Grealish, Kane and Ayew spend more time flying though the air. VAR invariably takes longer.
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Teddy Eagle

09 Apr 23 10.11am

Originally posted by becky

That's the one! Both Fofana and Kouyate broke their fasts - April 2021

Edited by becky (09 Apr 2023 9.45am)

Grealish, Kane and Ayew spend more time flying though the air. VAR invariably takes longer.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Apr 23 10.27am
ah yes, well we must give respect to all religions. can we start with the native Jews of North Africa. From Morocco to Egypt they seem to be an endangered species....hunted and killed in some cases. And how about the minority Christian Copts of Egypt....also suffering terrible persecution from the majority. Respect is a two-way street, after all ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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ah yes, well we must give respect to all religions.

can we start with the native Jews of North Africa. From Morocco to Egypt they seem to be an endangered species....hunted and killed in some cases.

And how about the minority Christian Copts of Egypt....also suffering terrible persecution from the majority.

Respect is a two-way street, after all ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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