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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 23 2.26pm
Originally posted by Willo Perusing the 'Still' photograph there is no conclusive evidence as far as I am concerned. No evidence as to the force of the tackle or the amount of contact. All of the decisions will form part of the post-match forensic examination of the performance of the officials. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 1.57pm) Did you see the game, CD had to receive treatment that tackle was premeditated, as CD had earlier fouled him. It was forceful and late. Other players have been sent off fir no contact but intent or being out of control, he quite clearly catches CD well above the ankle. This highlights the inconsistency of both referees and VAR, no ifs no buts. Your last sentence is nonsense, of course they are allegedly assessed but, bearing in mind how many ridiculous decisions were made this weekend, how many officials will be dropped? Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 2.28pm) Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 2.32pm)
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Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 23 2.26pm

Originally posted by Willo

Perusing the 'Still' photograph there is no conclusive evidence as far as I am concerned. No evidence as to the force of the tackle or the amount of contact.

All of the decisions will form part of the post-match forensic examination of the performance of the officials.

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 1.57pm)

Did you see the game, CD had to receive treatment that tackle was premeditated, as CD had earlier fouled him. It was forceful and late. Other players have been sent off fir no contact but intent or being out of control, he quite clearly catches CD well above the ankle. This highlights the inconsistency of both referees and VAR, no ifs no buts.
Your last sentence is nonsense, of course they are allegedly assessed but, bearing in mind how many ridiculous decisions were made this weekend, how many officials will be dropped?
Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 2.28pm)

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 23 2.30pm
Originally posted by Willo Even then there is the issue of Interfering or not interfering etc etc. So there is and always be inconsistency? Surely this leaves interpretation of the rules open to abuse
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Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 23 2.30pm

Originally posted by Willo

Even then there is the issue of Interfering or not interfering etc etc.

So there is and always be inconsistency? Surely this leaves interpretation of the rules open to abuse

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 23 3.03pm
[Link] Scroll down to Palace highlights and tell me how it was not a red, Wilo Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 3.04pm)
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Horsham 12 Feb 23 3.03pm

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Scroll down to Palace highlights and tell me how it was not a red, Wilo

Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 3.04pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 3.05pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Did you see the game, CD had to receive treatment that tackle was premeditated, as CD had earlier fouled him. It was forceful and late. Other players have been sent off fir no contact but intent or being out of control, he quite clearly catches CD well above the ankle. This highlights the inconsistency of both referees and VAR, no ifs no buts. Your last sentence is nonsense, of course they are allegedly assessed but, bearing in mind how many ridiculous decisions were made this weekend, how many officials will be dropped? Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 2.28pm) Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 2.32pm) With respect, one cannot conclude that the tackle on Doucoure was revenge for a tackle he had made. In terms of "Inconsistency" whenever subjectivity enters the equation there is always a chance that decisions will viewed as not being consistent. You mention "Ridiculous decisions", officials are only humans and humans do err from time to time.As I have stated before,perfection is not in the human gift.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 3.05pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 2.32pm)

With respect, one cannot conclude that the tackle on Doucoure was revenge for a tackle he had made.
In terms of "Inconsistency" whenever subjectivity enters the equation there is always a chance that decisions will viewed as not being consistent.

You mention "Ridiculous decisions", officials are only humans and humans do err from time to time.As I have stated before,perfection is not in the human gift.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 3.13pm
Originally posted by Spiderman [Link] Scroll down to Palace highlights and tell me how it was not a red, Wilo Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 3.04pm) For a red card to be issued, the determining factor is Violent conduct or Serious foul play. The Brighton player was in control and never lunged in at force both feet off the ground and of course a question of "Clear and obvious error" enters the equation. If the referee had been asked to consult the screen he might well have issued a Red. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 3.16pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 3.13pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

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Scroll down to Palace highlights and tell me how it was not a red, Wilo

Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2023 3.04pm)

For a red card to be issued, the determining factor is Violent conduct or Serious foul play. The Brighton player was in control and never lunged in at force both feet off the ground and of course a question of "Clear and obvious error" enters the equation.
If the referee had been asked to consult the screen he might well have issued a Red.

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 3.16pm)

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 23 3.43pm
Originally posted by Willo For a red card to be issued, the determining factor is Violent conduct or Serious foul play. The Brighton player was in control and never lunged in at force both feet off the ground and of course a question of "Clear and obvious error" enters the equation. If the referee had been asked to consult the screen he might well have issued a Red. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 3.16pm) No he did not lunge both feet off the ground, he knew what he was doing. Reds aren’t only issued fir both feet off the ground or if he was not in control. If you don’t think that is serious foul play, there is no hope. My point is the inconsistency apparent every week. Exactly he should have been asked to look at the screen, incompetent VAR. As I said before Oliver had a good game not sure he saw the severity of the challenge
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Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 23 3.43pm

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 3.16pm)

No he did not lunge both feet off the ground, he knew what he was doing. Reds aren’t only issued fir both feet off the ground or if he was not in control.
If you don’t think that is serious foul play, there is no hope. My point is the inconsistency apparent every week.
Exactly he should have been asked to look at the screen, incompetent VAR. As I said before Oliver had a good game not sure he saw the severity of the challenge

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 23 3.48pm
Originally posted by Willo With respect, one cannot conclude that the tackle on Doucoure was revenge for a tackle he had made. In terms of "Inconsistency" whenever subjectivity enters the equation there is always a chance that decisions will viewed as not being consistent. You mention "Ridiculous decisions", officials are only humans and humans do err from time to time.As I have stated before,perfection is not in the human gift. Within minutes of CD fouled, I think you probably can. My point is should there be subjectivity when decisions can define a season. So you admit some decisions this weekend were ridiculous? If not you are at odds with thre pundits. Still they are prepared to call officials out, whereas you are not and never have been ( cough… Clattenburg, sorry Mark to you)
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Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 23 3.48pm

Originally posted by Willo

You mention "Ridiculous decisions", officials are only humans and humans do err from time to time.As I have stated before,perfection is not in the human gift.

Within minutes of CD fouled, I think you probably can. My point is should there be subjectivity when decisions can define a season.
So you admit some decisions this weekend were ridiculous? If not you are at odds with thre pundits. Still they are prepared to call officials out, whereas you are not and never have been ( cough… Clattenburg, sorry Mark to you)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 4.10pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Within minutes of CD fouled, I think you probably can. My point is should there be subjectivity when decisions can define a season. So you admit some decisions this weekend were ridiculous? If not you are at odds with thre pundits. Still they are prepared to call officials out, whereas you are not and never have been ( cough… Clattenburg, sorry Mark to you) Like an interrogation in the 'Ipcress Files'. I have always maintained that officials do err from time to time but fallibility on occasions does not make them incompetent.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 4.10pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Within minutes of CD fouled, I think you probably can. My point is should there be subjectivity when decisions can define a season.
So you admit some decisions this weekend were ridiculous? If not you are at odds with thre pundits. Still they are prepared to call officials out, whereas you are not and never have been ( cough… Clattenburg, sorry Mark to you)

Like an interrogation in the 'Ipcress Files'.

I have always maintained that officials do err from time to time but fallibility on occasions does not make them incompetent.

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Teddy Eagle 12 Feb 23 4.25pm
Originally posted by Willo Like an interrogation in the 'Ipcress Files'. I have always maintained that officials do err from time to time but fallibility on occasions does not make them incompetent. Everyone knows that referees have a very tough job, made tougher by players' constant attempts to con them, but, as Spiderman said VAR has the advantage of repeats, different angles, slow motion, etc and yet still get it wrong.
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Teddy Eagle

12 Feb 23 4.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

Like an interrogation in the 'Ipcress Files'.

I have always maintained that officials do err from time to time but fallibility on occasions does not make them incompetent.

Everyone knows that referees have a very tough job, made tougher by players' constant attempts to con them, but, as Spiderman said VAR has the advantage of repeats, different angles, slow motion, etc and yet still get it wrong.

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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Feb 23 6.57pm
If the laws were simplified, not constantly made more complicated and open to interpretation, VAR would not be necessary. Of course refs make mistakes but in the competitions free of VAR like the championship and our own U21 and 18s, it is a much better experience for everybody. Enjoyable the PL ain't, neither is it just. I'd rather have a bounty....
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steeleye20

Croydon 12 Feb 23 6.57pm

If the laws were simplified, not constantly made more complicated and open to interpretation, VAR would not be necessary.

Of course refs make mistakes but in the competitions free of VAR like the championship and our own U21 and 18s, it is a much better experience for everybody.

Enjoyable the PL ain't, neither is it just.

I'd rather have a bounty....

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Teddy Eagle 12 Feb 23 7.10pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 If the laws were simplified, not constantly made more complicated and open to interpretation, VAR would not be necessary. Of course refs make mistakes but in the competitions free of VAR like the championship and our own U21 and 18s, it is a much better experience for everybody. Enjoyable the PL ain't, neither is it just. I'd rather have a bounty.... Also doesn't help that players like Grealish are praised for being clever after "winning" a penalty like he did today.
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Teddy Eagle

12 Feb 23 7.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

If the laws were simplified, not constantly made more complicated and open to interpretation, VAR would not be necessary.

Of course refs make mistakes but in the competitions free of VAR like the championship and our own U21 and 18s, it is a much better experience for everybody.

Enjoyable the PL ain't, neither is it just.

I'd rather have a bounty....

Also doesn't help that players like Grealish are praised for being clever after "winning" a penalty like he did today.

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Elpis In a pub 12 Feb 23 7.49pm
This weekends VAR errors just confirmed to me that the decisions made by those in control of it are no more than another level of incompetance . In the few years we have had it it seems to have brought up more controversy than when the refs decision was final. The downsides of waiting to celebrate a goal and the forever timeouts just are not worth the odd borderline offside they get right . I would vote to abandon it tommorow and consign it to a history of the years when football lost it way
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Elpis

In a pub 12 Feb 23 7.49pm

This weekends VAR errors just confirmed to me that the decisions made by those in control of it are no more than another level of incompetance .

In the few years we have had it it seems to have brought up more controversy than when the refs decision was final.

The downsides of waiting to celebrate a goal and the forever timeouts just are not worth the odd borderline offside they get right .

I would vote to abandon it tommorow and consign it to a history of the years when football lost it way

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