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CrazyBadger Ware 10 Feb 23 9.56am
Originally posted by PatrickA In recent years we haven’t been a selling club. In terms of high profile sales I can only think of AWB and Bolassie and even then we obtained excessive transfer fees. We obviously managed to hold on to Wilf , but there was also high level interest in Scott Dann when he was at his best, and we managed to rebuff this too. With regard to Guehi he has managed to get England caps while at Palace and I believe he has been earmarked as a future Palace captain. Obviously every player has his price, but he doesn’t strike me as a troublemaker or one who would agitate for a move. We don’t appear to operate a similar model to Brighton who seem to develop players for the top 6 while extracting maximum value from their sales. I acknowledge we could be under more selling pressure with the younger players we are now buying and note that reputedly Olise has a release clause in his contract. I don’t see him staying at Palace for 10 years . Furthermore, the ownership structure has changed in recent years which means that Parish may not totally call the shots any more on player sales. Holding Onto players is not always a good strategy. If you buy a player for 10m, then keep him til he retires, then you've never making money from player sales, and you need to find reinvestment capital from elsewhere. If keeping those players means we are building a better team, and thus end up higher in the table, or in European champs - both which bring more money in - then that works, but that doesn't appear to be happening for us. Not yet at least. Selling players at a profit allows you to keep the investment in the team going. Couple this with a good scouting strategy, and you can go from strength to strength. the past 2 years we have been buying talent at a young age, at low prices. we should expect some outgoings - at much profit. But we must re-invest this into the playing squad. Say we make 4x on Guehi than we paid for him, we can get 2 or 3 new players in, and still have some left over, whilst building our squad. This will also somewhat aleiviate the 'Out Of contract' issues, as we should always have someone in the wings to step in. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 10 Feb 23 9.56am

Originally posted by PatrickA

In recent years we haven’t been a selling club.
In terms of high profile sales I can only think of AWB and Bolassie and even then we obtained excessive transfer fees.
We obviously managed to hold on to Wilf , but there was also high level interest in Scott Dann when he was at his best, and we managed to rebuff this too.
With regard to Guehi he has managed to get England caps while at Palace and I believe he has been earmarked as a future Palace captain.
Obviously every player has his price, but he doesn’t strike me as a troublemaker or one who would agitate for a move.
We don’t appear to operate a similar model to Brighton who seem to develop players for the top 6 while extracting maximum value from their sales.

I acknowledge we could be under more selling pressure with the younger players we are now buying and note that reputedly Olise has a release clause in his contract.
I don’t see him staying at Palace for 10 years .
Furthermore, the ownership structure has changed in recent years which means that Parish may not totally call the shots any more on player sales.

Holding Onto players is not always a good strategy. If you buy a player for 10m, then keep him til he retires, then you've never making money from player sales, and you need to find reinvestment capital from elsewhere. If keeping those players means we are building a better team, and thus end up higher in the table, or in European champs - both which bring more money in - then that works, but that doesn't appear to be happening for us. Not yet at least.

Selling players at a profit allows you to keep the investment in the team going. Couple this with a good scouting strategy, and you can go from strength to strength.

the past 2 years we have been buying talent at a young age, at low prices. we should expect some outgoings - at much profit. But we must re-invest this into the playing squad.
Say we make 4x on Guehi than we paid for him, we can get 2 or 3 new players in, and still have some left over, whilst building our squad.
This will also somewhat aleiviate the 'Out Of contract' issues, as we *should* always have someone in the wings to step in.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Feb 23 10.46am
We haven’t had too many truly saleable assets for years. Zaha was the only one for which we could have got big money for. Palace populated the squad with older senior players with little or no sell on value. I think the hope is that the Academy unearths the occasional gem that can go into the first team and if good enough, attracts a high transfer fee from one of the big boys. At the moment I think Guehi, Andersen, Eze and Olise are where funds could be raised I’m still hopeful of a summer spend this year, although one of the above may have to be sold to partially fund it Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Feb 23 10.46am

We haven’t had too many truly saleable assets for years. Zaha was the only one for which we could have got big money for. Palace populated the squad with older senior players with little or no sell on value.

I think the hope is that the Academy unearths the occasional gem that can go into the first team and if good enough, attracts a high transfer fee from one of the big boys.

At the moment I think Guehi, Andersen, Eze and Olise are where funds could be raised

I’m still hopeful of a summer spend this year, although one of the above may have to be sold to partially fund it

Old, Ungifted and White

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 10 Feb 23 11.22am
Originally posted by NEILLO We haven’t had too many truly saleable assets for years. Zaha was the only one for which we could have got big money for. Palace populated the squad with older senior players with little or no sell on value. I think the hope is that the Academy unearths the occasional gem that can go into the first team and if good enough, attracts a high transfer fee from one of the big boys. At the moment I think Guehi, Andersen, Eze and Olise are where funds could be raised I’m still hopeful of a summer spend this year, although one of the above may have to be sold to partially fund it Yes, i hope that if we stay up we, if needed, sell one, and keep the other three, Guehi would be my choice, 70m if possible, should get 3/4 decent players with that, and Wilfs 130k a week will help cover the wages. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 10 Feb 23 11.22am

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think the hope is that the Academy unearths the occasional gem that can go into the first team and if good enough, attracts a high transfer fee from one of the big boys.

At the moment I think Guehi, Andersen, Eze and Olise are where funds could be raised

I’m still hopeful of a summer spend this year, although one of the above may have to be sold to partially fund it

Yes, i hope that if we stay up we, if needed, sell one, and keep the other three, Guehi would be my choice, 70m if possible, should get 3/4 decent players with that, and Wilfs 130k a week will help cover the wages.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Feb 23 11.34am
The situation at the club in Summer 23 could be at variance to what it is now. Club about to embark on a season in the Championship. Departure of our prized player assets. New ownership structure. New manager at the helm. Time will tell.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Feb 23 11.34am

The situation at the club in Summer 23 could be at variance to what it is now.
Club about to embark on a season in the Championship.
Departure of our prized player assets.
New ownership structure.
New manager at the helm.

Time will tell.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Feb 23 11.34am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Yes, i hope that if we stay up we, if needed, sell one, and keep the other three, Guehi would be my choice, 70m if possible, should get 3/4 decent players with that, and Wilfs 130k a week will help cover the wages. Levy's bid will have a seven in it but not 70 mil. More like 17. Red and Blue Army!
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ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Feb 23 11.34am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Levy's bid will have a seven in it but not 70 mil. More like 17.

Red and Blue Army!

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 23 11.44am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Levy's bid will have a seven in it but not 70 mil. More like 17. The clickbait rumours are talking in terms of Spurs needing to pay £45m+ if they want to prise Guehi away. Where they get that figure from who knows? In any event, you may recall that there was a clause in the purchase agreement that Chelsea have the right to match any offer from another club if we decided to sell the player.
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doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 23 11.44am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Levy's bid will have a seven in it but not 70 mil. More like 17.

The clickbait rumours are talking in terms of Spurs needing to pay £45m+ if they want to prise Guehi away. Where they get that figure from who knows? In any event, you may recall that there was a clause in the purchase agreement that Chelsea have the right to match any offer from another club if we decided to sell the player.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 23 11.46am
Originally posted by Willo The situation at the club in Summer 23 could be at variance to what it is now. Club about to embark on a season in the Championship. Departure of our prized player assets. New ownership structure. New manager at the helm. Time will tell. One day your unlikely prediction of a draw against Brighton and the next - this? Back to normal are we?
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doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 23 11.46am

Originally posted by Willo

Time will tell.

One day your unlikely prediction of a draw against Brighton and the next - this? Back to normal are we?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Feb 23 12.10pm
Originally posted by doombear One day your unlikely prediction of a draw against Brighton and the next - this? Back to normal are we? My sentiments were not prognostications, I am certainly not 'Mystic Willo'. It is just the model of plausibility that some of the scenarios could turn out to be the actualite. Edited by Willo (10 Feb 2023 12.12pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Feb 23 12.10pm

Originally posted by doombear

One day your unlikely prediction of a draw against Brighton and the next - this? Back to normal are we?

My sentiments were not prognostications, I am certainly not 'Mystic Willo'.
It is just the model of plausibility that some of the scenarios could turn out to be the actualite.

Edited by Willo (10 Feb 2023 12.12pm)

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southnorwoodhill 10 Feb 23 12.46pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Yes, i hope that if we stay up we, if needed, sell one, and keep the other three, Guehi would be my choice, 70m if possible, should get 3/4 decent players with that, and Wilfs 130k a week will help cover the wages. You must live in Fantasyland. Only top 6 teams would look at that as a figure to spend, and they don't need him.
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yes, i hope that if we stay up we, if needed, sell one, and keep the other three, Guehi would be my choice, 70m if possible, should get 3/4 decent players with that, and Wilfs 130k a week will help cover the wages.

You must live in Fantasyland. Only top 6 teams would look at that as a figure to spend, and they don't need him.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 10 Feb 23 1.14pm
Assuming we stay in the league, the Summer window is going to require a lot of activity to replace the dead wood moving on. Realistically we are going to be needing 4-5 players. If I were Parish and co, losing Guehi in this window wouldn't be ideal, as with a new faces coming in, you'd probably want some some structure to build around. Therefore IMO £45 isn't enough, it needs to be closer to the £60m. Which in todays market isn't bad for a 22yr old England international who (by then) will have 70 PL appearances. But we cant be scared of that, we need to sell players to progress the club, if we can sell a few for 4x what we paid for them, it will help us progress things more quickly.
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Chaldon 10 Feb 23 1.14pm

Assuming we stay in the league, the Summer window is going to require a lot of activity to replace the dead wood moving on.

Realistically we are going to be needing 4-5 players.

If I were Parish and co, losing Guehi in this window wouldn't be ideal, as with a new faces coming in, you'd probably want some some structure to build around.

Therefore IMO £45 isn't enough, it needs to be closer to the £60m. Which in todays market isn't bad for a 22yr old England international who (by then) will have 70 PL appearances.

But we cant be scared of that, we need to sell players to progress the club, if we can sell a few for 4x what we paid for them, it will help us progress things more quickly.

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Painter Croydon 10 Feb 23 1.36pm
Originally posted by NEILLO We haven’t had too many truly saleable assets for years. Zaha was the only one for which we could have got big money for. Palace populated the squad with older senior players with little or no sell on value. I think the hope is that the Academy unearths the occasional gem that can go into the first team and if good enough, attracts a high transfer fee from one of the big boys. At the moment I think Guehi, Andersen, Eze and Olise are where funds could be raised I’m still hopeful of a summer spend this year, although one of the above may have to be sold to partially fund it I seem to remember AWB was sold for £50m, that’s a reasonable sell on value.
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Painter

Croydon 10 Feb 23 1.36pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think the hope is that the Academy unearths the occasional gem that can go into the first team and if good enough, attracts a high transfer fee from one of the big boys.

At the moment I think Guehi, Andersen, Eze and Olise are where funds could be raised

I’m still hopeful of a summer spend this year, although one of the above may have to be sold to partially fund it

I seem to remember AWB was sold for £50m, that’s a reasonable sell on value.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Feb 23 1.51pm
Originally posted by Painter I seem to remember AWB was sold for £50m, that’s a reasonable sell on value. I stand corrected, you are ok course right - I'd forgotten AWB ! Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Feb 23 1.51pm

Originally posted by Painter

I seem to remember AWB was sold for £50m, that’s a reasonable sell on value.

I stand corrected, you are ok course right - I'd forgotten AWB !

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