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YT Oxford 04 Jan 23 12.31pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Apparently he had a shocker at the Emirates last night and that on top of a poor game when he refereed the Fulham game on Boxing Day at Selhurst Park. How do these - sometimes - incompetent referees get away with this kind of performance? One hopes that he will be dropped to the Championship for a few weeks. Truly; Madley - Deeply worrying. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 04 Jan 23 12.31pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Apparently he had a shocker at the Emirates last night and that on top of a poor game when he refereed the Fulham game on Boxing Day at Selhurst Park.
How do these - sometimes - incompetent referees get away with this kind of performance?
One hopes that he will be dropped to the Championship for a few weeks.

Truly; Madley - Deeply worrying.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Jan 23 12.34pm
Originally posted by YT Truly; Madley - Deeply worrying. Rather savage, from your garden This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Jan 23 12.34pm

Originally posted by YT

Truly; Madley - Deeply worrying.

Rather savage, from your garden

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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crystal-purley Purley 04 Jan 23 12.36pm
Originally posted by Willo Mark was not biased towards any team he made decisions based on his professional judgement. I have no more comment to make on any sentiments raised on here apropos Mark as the discussion will only disintegrate into a dastardly Willo thread.Forgive me if do not respond. "Mark" has since admitted he was wrong Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).
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Originally posted by Willo

Mark was not biased towards any team he made decisions based on his professional judgement.

I have no more comment to make on any sentiments raised on here apropos Mark as the discussion will only disintegrate into a dastardly Willo thread.Forgive me if do not respond.

"Mark" has since admitted he was wrong

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Jan 23 12.49pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 He is an awful referee, thought that long before Fulham. Fact is, most are. There are two huge problems in my very, very humble opinion: 1. Supply and demand I guess - just how prolific is the refereeing profession in this country? It's got to be a million miles off of that for footballers. It's not as if everyone dreams of becoming a referee when young and therefore the competition for becoming a qualified referee is high and only the creme de la creme make it through. 2. The 'rules' as they now are. They've been analysed, further convoluted, distorted and become somewhat bonkers. I do feel sorry for referees these days as were I in that seat, I wouldn't have a clue as to what was supposed to be done in various situations. We all know what the rules should be and, despite subjectivity, what would constitute common sense in the game but it's all over the shop now and quite often deviates from common sense/ubiquitous understanding of the game. I always like to think there's a really formal, professional system for PL referees however my suspicion is a lot of them are still that kid at school, who couldn't even play on the playground, probably supported United and therefore the only way they could be involved was reffing. A slight delusion of grandeur, little understanding of football from a playing/attending perspective and probably quite thick too - Madeley brothers. Edited by Nicholas91 (04 Jan 2023 12.27pm) Phew, where to start . . . So, without making an 'eagleman' thread i agree with your 2 points although 'common sense' for refs went out the window years ago, FIFA barred it. As for your last paragragh, you are so off the mark, some of us could & have played, i turned to reffing as injury scuppered any chance i had of making it as a footballer. I worked hard to get to the level i attained, you wouldn't believe how the 'County' biased system works it takes a lot of who you know, not what. When i retired from reffing in the EFL i was invited to become an assessor, which opened my eyes up to what was then being asked & required by refs to 'make it' further up the ladder. Back then we were ALL amateurs only getting paid match fees & expensives. One of my guilty secrets, is now i can scream & hurl abuse at a refs decision knowing ive been there, done that & had the black eyes & cut lips from players & fans alike Until FIFA change & it is FIFA not the FA/EPL/EFL nothing will satisfy the average fan who goes week in week out, then down the pub etc & along with their mates say how crap their team was/is, the ref was a biased cnut & as for the 'lino' . . . Well. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Jan 23 12.49pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

He is an awful referee, thought that long before Fulham.

Fact is, most are. There are two huge problems in my very, very humble opinion:

1. Supply and demand I guess - just how prolific is the refereeing profession in this country? It's got to be a million miles off of that for footballers. It's not as if everyone dreams of becoming a referee when young and therefore the competition for becoming a qualified referee is high and only the creme de la creme make it through.

2. The 'rules' as they now are. They've been analysed, further convoluted, distorted and become somewhat bonkers. I do feel sorry for referees these days as were I in that seat, I wouldn't have a clue as to what was supposed to be done in various situations. We all know what the rules should be and, despite subjectivity, what would constitute common sense in the game but it's all over the shop now and quite often deviates from common sense/ubiquitous understanding of the game.

I always like to think there's a really formal, professional system for PL referees however my suspicion is a lot of them are still that kid at school, who couldn't even play on the playground, probably supported United and therefore the only way they could be involved was reffing. A slight delusion of grandeur, little understanding of football from a playing/attending perspective and probably quite thick too - Madeley brothers.

Edited by Nicholas91 (04 Jan 2023 12.27pm)

Phew, where to start . . .

So, without making an 'eagleman' thread i agree with your 2 points although 'common sense' for refs went out the window years ago, FIFA barred it. As for your last paragragh, you are so off the mark, some of us could & have played, i turned to reffing as injury scuppered any chance i had of making it as a footballer. I worked hard to get to the level i attained, you wouldn't believe how the 'County' biased system works it takes a lot of who you know, not what.

When i retired from reffing in the EFL i was invited to become an assessor, which opened my eyes up to what was then being asked & required by refs to 'make it' further up the ladder. Back then we were ALL amateurs only getting paid match fees & expensives. One of my guilty secrets, is now i can scream & hurl abuse at a refs decision knowing ive been there, done that & had the black eyes & cut lips from players & fans alike

Until FIFA change & it is FIFA not the FA/EPL/EFL nothing will satisfy the average fan who goes week in week out, then down the pub etc & along with their mates say how crap their team was/is, the ref was a biased cnut & as for the 'lino' . . . Well.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Jan 23 1.54pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Phew, where to start . . . So, without making an 'eagleman' thread i agree with your 2 points although 'common sense' for refs went out the window years ago, FIFA barred it. As for your last paragragh, you are so off the mark, some of us could & have played, i turned to reffing as injury scuppered any chance i had of making it as a footballer. I worked hard to get to the level i attained, you wouldn't believe how the 'County' biased system works it takes a lot of who you know, not what. When i retired from reffing in the EFL i was invited to become an assessor, which opened my eyes up to what was then being asked & required by refs to 'make it' further up the ladder. Back then we were ALL amateurs only getting paid match fees & expensives. One of my guilty secrets, is now i can scream & hurl abuse at a refs decision knowing ive been there, done that & had the black eyes & cut lips from players & fans alike Until FIFA change & it is FIFA not the FA/EPL/EFL nothing will satisfy the average fan who goes week in week out, then down the pub etc & along with their mates say how crap their team was/is, the ref was a biased cnut & as for the 'lino' . . . Well. In all fairness Eagleman, I don't think I am 'off the mark'. The number of 'I could have...' people in this country is staggering. For an anecdote, I was actually scouted by WHU and on the books/played a number of games but broke my arm quite badly whilst playing for Lewisham district, that ended all hope. I would never consider myself as coming that close, quite frankly my PE teacher at school also doubled up as a WHU scout and therefore I was quite fortunate in the first instance. I was the greatest footballer of all time of course however, life, you know. As for your point apropos bias, I believe this backs up my poorly articulated point and have no problem accepting your commentary as truth. Same with footballers actually. Jamie Redknapp, Frank Lampard etc. etc. The list of footballing dynasties is quite long and I fail to believe that is a genetics and merit over connections 'thing' in fact quite the opposite. I did say 'I am suspicious' so as not to put forth my little world view as an assertion of fact, it's just how it looks for me. I was sort of alluding to a quasi-cabal of referees, hence both the Madleys being one. That can't just be coincidence/free of other contributors separate from ability. That was sort of my point really, on top of the pool being a lot smaller, I fail to believe it is a pure meritocracy that resultantly produces PL referees. Combined with poor leadership from governing bodies and a now impractical lawbook, I have very little faith in most PL referees. I therefore reject your attempt to nullify my highly subjective, ill-informed, immature, impetuous digs and belittlement of them! That is my right as a football fan Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Jan 23 1.54pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Phew, where to start . . .

So, without making an 'eagleman' thread i agree with your 2 points although 'common sense' for refs went out the window years ago, FIFA barred it. As for your last paragragh, you are so off the mark, some of us could & have played, i turned to reffing as injury scuppered any chance i had of making it as a footballer. I worked hard to get to the level i attained, you wouldn't believe how the 'County' biased system works it takes a lot of who you know, not what.

In all fairness Eagleman, I don't think I am 'off the mark'.

The number of 'I could have...' people in this country is staggering. For an anecdote, I was actually scouted by WHU and on the books/played a number of games but broke my arm quite badly whilst playing for Lewisham district, that ended all hope. I would never consider myself as coming that close, quite frankly my PE teacher at school also doubled up as a WHU scout and therefore I was quite fortunate in the first instance. I was the greatest footballer of all time of course however, life, you know.

As for your point apropos bias, I believe this backs up my poorly articulated point and have no problem accepting your commentary as truth. Same with footballers actually. Jamie Redknapp, Frank Lampard etc. etc. The list of footballing dynasties is quite long and I fail to believe that is a genetics and merit over connections 'thing' in fact quite the opposite.

I did say 'I am suspicious' so as not to put forth my little world view as an assertion of fact, it's just how it looks for me. I was sort of alluding to a quasi-cabal of referees, hence both the Madleys being one. That can't just be coincidence/free of other contributors separate from ability. That was sort of my point really, on top of the pool being a lot smaller, I fail to believe it is a pure meritocracy that resultantly produces PL referees.

Combined with poor leadership from governing bodies and a now impractical lawbook, I have very little faith in most PL referees. I therefore reject your attempt to nullify my highly subjective, ill-informed, immature, impetuous digs and belittlement of them! That is my right as a football fan

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 23 2.25pm
Originally posted by Willo I witnessed the game and I don't recognise this description of his performance. I do. As does everyone else who are not predisposed to deference to any authority figure. I don't think either sending off was technically bad in the Fulham game but many refs would have given Tomkins a final warning and nod to the dugout to take him off. He is very card happy and last night appeared to be in little control
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Portishead 04 Jan 23 2.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

I witnessed the game and I don't recognise this description of his performance.

I do. As does everyone else who are not predisposed to deference to any authority figure.

I don't think either sending off was technically bad in the Fulham game but many refs would have given Tomkins a final warning and nod to the dugout to take him off.

He is very card happy and last night appeared to be in little control

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silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 23 2.30pm
Originally posted by crystal-purley "Mark" has since admitted he was wrong The Cheif Ref said he was wrong at the time. Said he was overwhelmed by the event or similar. Didn't seem to bother him when he refed the Euro and ECL finals weeks later.
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silvertop

Portishead 04 Jan 23 2.30pm

Originally posted by crystal-purley

"Mark" has since admitted he was wrong

The Cheif Ref said he was wrong at the time. Said he was overwhelmed by the event or similar. Didn't seem to bother him when he refed the Euro and ECL finals weeks later.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 2.42pm
Originally posted by silvertop I do. As does everyone else who are not predisposed to deference to any authority figure. I don't think either sending off was technically bad in the Fulham game but many refs would have given Tomkins a final warning and nod to the dugout to take him off. He is very card happy and last night appeared to be in little control My comments are not borne out of any deference but merely an honest evaluation which of course others are free to challenge. Apropos Tomkins, I do not share the view that many referees would have given him a warning - In my opinion a yellow was the correct decision. Given his performance perhaps he was relieved to be given his marching orders !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 2.42pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I do. As does everyone else who are not predisposed to deference to any authority figure.

I don't think either sending off was technically bad in the Fulham game but many refs would have given Tomkins a final warning and nod to the dugout to take him off.

He is very card happy and last night appeared to be in little control

My comments are not borne out of any deference but merely an honest evaluation which of course others are free to challenge.

Apropos Tomkins, I do not share the view that many referees would have given him a warning - In my opinion a yellow was the correct decision.
Given his performance perhaps he was relieved to be given his marching orders !

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JRW2 Dulwich 04 Jan 23 3.21pm
Originally posted by Willo Mark was not biased towards any team he made decisions based on his professional judgement. I have never agreed with the claim that referees are biased - at least not consciously so. But "Mark" behaved disgracefully and utterly unprofessionally before that Cup Final in indulging in a smiling, laughing chat with one manager before the game. Just like a judge having a friendly meeting outside the court room with counsel for one side immediately before a major trial. But back to the general point. You say that Madley made decisions "based on his professional judgment". Yes, that's what referees do, but that doesn't mean they get everything right, and I think you are at fault in never, ever being willing to admit that a mistake has been made. At least, I have no memory of your ever having done so.
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Dulwich 04 Jan 23 3.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

Mark was not biased towards any team he made decisions based on his professional judgement.

I have never agreed with the claim that referees are biased - at least not consciously so. But "Mark" behaved disgracefully and utterly unprofessionally before that Cup Final in indulging in a smiling, laughing chat with one manager before the game. Just like a judge having a friendly meeting outside the court room with counsel for one side immediately before a major trial.

But back to the general point. You say that Madley made decisions "based on his professional judgment". Yes, that's what referees do, but that doesn't mean they get everything right, and I think you are at fault in never, ever being willing to admit that a mistake has been made. At least, I have no memory of your ever having done so.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 3.30pm
Originally posted by JRW2 I have never agreed with the claim that referees are biased - at least not consciously so. But "Mark" behaved disgracefully and utterly unprofessionally before that Cup Final in indulging in a smiling, laughing chat with one manager before the game. Just like a judge having a friendly meeting outside the court room with counsel for one side immediately before a major trial. But back to the general point. You say that Madley made decisions "based on his professional judgment". Yes, that's what referees do, but that doesn't mean they get everything right, and I think you are at fault in never, ever being willing to admit that a mistake has been made. At least, I have no memory of your ever having done so. As I mentioned I am not going to respond to any further comments relating to Mark Clattenburg for the reason I have stated indeed I have already answered all the criticisms labelled against him. Apropos your general point I have consistently asserted that referees are human beings and as such err from time to time.Madley made decisions based on his professional judgement not because he was biased against either team. Edited by Willo (04 Jan 2023 3.38pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 3.30pm

Originally posted by JRW2

As I mentioned I am not going to respond to any further comments relating to Mark Clattenburg for the reason I have stated indeed I have already answered all the criticisms labelled against him.

Apropos your general point I have consistently asserted that referees are human beings and as such err from time to time.Madley made decisions based on his professional judgement not because he was biased against either team.

Edited by Willo (04 Jan 2023 3.38pm)

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JRW2 Dulwich 04 Jan 23 3.44pm
Originally posted by Willo As I mentioned I am not going to respond to any further comments relating to Mark Clattenburg for the reason I have stated indeed I have already answered all the criticisms labelled against him. Apropos your general point I have consistently asserted that referees are human beings and as such err from time to time.Madley made decisions based on his professional judgement not because he was biased against either team. Edited by Willo (04 Jan 2023 3.38pm) Well, I must take your word as a gentleman. But, as I said, I have no recollection of your ever having asserted that a referee has "erred".
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Dulwich 04 Jan 23 3.44pm

Originally posted by Willo

As I mentioned I am not going to respond to any further comments relating to Mark Clattenburg for the reason I have stated indeed I have already answered all the criticisms labelled against him.

Apropos your general point I have consistently asserted that referees are human beings and as such err from time to time.Madley made decisions based on his professional judgement not because he was biased against either team.

Edited by Willo (04 Jan 2023 3.38pm)

Well, I must take your word as a gentleman. But, as I said, I have no recollection of your ever having asserted that a referee has "erred".

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jan 23 4.12pm
Originally posted by Willo Mark was not biased towards any team he made decisions based on his professional judgement. I have no more comment to make on any sentiments raised on here apropos Mark as the discussion will only disintegrate into a dastardly Willo thread.Forgive me if do not respond. "Agreed, in no way was he bias" Sir Alex Ferguson. One more point
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Originally posted by Willo

Mark was not biased towards any team he made decisions based on his professional judgement.

I have no more comment to make on any sentiments raised on here apropos Mark as the discussion will only disintegrate into a dastardly Willo thread.Forgive me if do not respond.

"Agreed, in no way was he bias" Sir Alex Ferguson.

One more point

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