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HKOwen Hong Kong 17 Dec 22 11.11pm | |
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ON a tangent I was very annoyed when one year, I can't remember which, Liverpool were coming to Selhurst and it was sold out. I was sent extracts from Liverpool forums where they were actively organising how to bunk into Selhurst without tickets, so of course without paying. Yet at the same time they went on and on endlessly about Hillsborough, Venues have limits on capacity for a reason, only takes a couple of people to fall and you can have tragedy of Seoul and years ago Hong Kong. The ridiculous scenes at Wembley not so long ago. Brixton is tragedy that was totally avoidable and caused by selfish people
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Dec 22 5.01am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Do they have to carry out health and safety reports prior to concerts? For example, taking into account that some concerts would be higher risks than others? would be the correct thing to do. But then allegations of discrimination are bound to follow every decision The venue will probably have standard risk assessments on file, in say a category of High, Medium and Low, and designate accordingly. And this storming of the venue was organised on social media at quite short notice. If the Old Bill had to monitor activity on all social platforms for 'irregular activity', how long before HOL towers would be stormed and the MP3 thread taken away in chains.
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footythoughts Beckenham 18 Dec 22 6.51am | |
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Most certainly tragic, but also a tragedy easily avoided. If you don't have a ticket don't turn up.
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georgenorman 18 Dec 22 7.08am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Tragic death of Rebecca Ikumelo, 33, from Newham, east London, died in hospital on Saturday morning, two others critical. After the 4 boys at Solihull, it's painful. No comparison.
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Midlands Eagle 18 Dec 22 7.26am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I'm not so sure as in one tragedy three families lost their children whilst in the other two young children lost their Mum
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footythoughts Beckenham 18 Dec 22 7.40am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
No comparison. Well, I mean they're both tragic events. I'm not sure that anyone is claiming they're identical, or in competition with one another. It's all a pointless and terrible loss of life.
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Matov 18 Dec 22 7.48am | |
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They are both terrible tragedys but one involved what seems to have been a tragic accident with kids just doing what kids do i.e playing out and tragedy unfolding. Whereas the other, if the claims about this attempt to rush the entrance being organised via Social-Media are true, is essentially the consequences of potentially a criminal act. And the question has to be asked of the lady who died in Brixton. Did she have a ticket? Or had she gone to that venue as part of the wider conspiracy to force entrance? She was not there by accident nor caught up in the scrum as just a bystander.
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footythoughts Beckenham 18 Dec 22 7.58am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
They are both terrible tragedys but one involved what seems to have been a tragic accident with kids just doing what kids do i.e playing out and tragedy unfolding. Whereas the other, if the claims about this attempt to rush the entrance being organised via Social-Media are true, is essentially the consequences of potentially a criminal act. And the question has to be asked of the lady who died in Brixton. Did she have a ticket? Or had she gone to that venue as part of the wider conspiracy to force entrance? She was not there by accident nor caught up in the scrum as just a bystander. The crime of rushing to see a musical artist you might like would appear to be someone less important than the fact she's now dead. It may have been an ill advised thing to do, and she may or may not have had a ticket, but that would seem to be more than enough of a price paid for her actions. We should still lend dignity to her life. There's little need to to pedantically berate a dead person over a minor mistake after it's already happened. From the perspective of trying to stop this happening again I get the questions, but ultimately it's still tragic that this woman died and she's clearly not in any meaningful sense a criminal. She just made a minor mistake that tragically cost her her life.
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Crystal_Clear Belfast 18 Dec 22 8.02am | |
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I saw a tweet last night claiming that doormen were letting in people without tickets. At this point this is completely unsubstantiated, and may not even be true. But if there is any truth in this, it would explain alot. You only need 1 rogue doorman who is going to ticketless people (maybe their mates) for a certain amount of money, and word is going to spread like wildfire across social media. So, for a sold out concert, you have large numbers descending thinking they might get in through a back door.
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YT Oxford 18 Dec 22 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
I saw a tweet last night claiming that doormen were letting in people without tickets. At this point this is completely unsubstantiated, and may not even be true. But if there is any truth in this, it would explain alot. You only need 1 rogue doorman who is going to ticketless people (maybe their mates) for a certain amount of money, and word is going to spread like wildfire across social media. So, for a sold out concert, you have large numbers descending thinking they might get in through a back door. I suspect more likely is that the people on the door were either overwhelmed or 'robustly encouraged to step aside'. Also, whereas 30-year-old tales of paying turnstile operators at Selhurst Park a few quid to facilitate admission are entertaining, does anyone seriously think that the 100s of ticketless the other night were all waving a 20 quid note at the poor door staff?
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gambler Kent 18 Dec 22 9.43am | |
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Similar to Euro final situation anyone? Or is an uncomfortable comparison for some?
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Matov 18 Dec 22 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
The crime of rushing to see a musical artist you might like would appear to be someone less important than the fact she's now dead. It may have been an ill advised thing to do, and she may or may not have had a ticket, but that would seem to be more than enough of a price paid for her actions. We should still lend dignity to her life. There's little need to to pedantically berate a dead person over a minor mistake after it's already happened. From the perspective of trying to stop this happening again I get the questions, but ultimately it's still tragic that this woman died and she's clearly not in any meaningful sense a criminal. She just made a minor mistake that tragically cost her her life.
Not invalid points although with some context, it was in response to people questioning why the deaths of those children in the Midlands due to falling through the ice was mentioned in context with the death of this lady. However, I will concede the point about affording the lady's passing some dignity by not making a huge issue around the reasons why she had attended that night.
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