Trump no doubt looks on wistfully. What could've been.. Storming empty buildings in this case though. History repeats but often dumber.

Edited by MrWhyNot (08 Jan 2023 9.19pm)

I am so used to reading nonsense from you that I mostly ignore it as the irrelevance it surely is in the real world.

This though takes the biscuit.It wasn’t the “left” who reacted to either Brexit or Trump. It came from every political persuasion. What connected them was a belief in democracy. No-one argued the Brexit result was rigged. The arguments were about the interference in the information process prior, the fact that a referendum isn’t part of our system and that after 4 years confirmation seemed wise. All valid and well expressed arguments which only failed because of Corbyn.

Trump was opposed by many on the sensible right. Only the far right, the red necks and the chancers trying to harvest the votes of the ignorant and those who always get seduced by change don’t. He sold them jam and snake oil. They bought it. Now they don’t.

There is no reason why a rational debate about traditional left/right politics cannot still be our way forward. Most of us don’t populate the extremes of the left or right. They can be left to shout at each other whilst normal people sort things out the best way we can.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

O, do behave.

Where did we see anybody in this country storming Parliament, smashing it up, threatening people?

No, they did not 'try everything' to get the vote overturned.

Nor did anyone say that the Brexit vote was rigged. You are just making things up.

You really are writing nonsense.

There will be no shortage of trouble this year.

The Ukraine war I don't see any end to, Iran Palestine with the new anti-democracy govt., arms length in the Balkans, China/Taiwan etc.etc.

The one thing about the Brits is that we are too pathetic to get fired up about grave injustices.

or my kick of cos asda normally do 8 cans of tyskie for 9 quid in their bigger stores in bournemouth and havant, but dont do it in crawley or their pathetic excuse for a store in selsey...i was fuming I can tell you...grrrrrr

Sometimes I set out for Ludlow
Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

You mean apart for up ending every Parliamentary convention for the last couple of hundred years, numerous court cases and getting the official opposition party to champion a second vote with Remain as an option? LOL.

Call me every name under the sun you want. Dismiss what I am posting about Brazil as hysteria. Mock my claims about liberal democracy not being worth a fig anymore as pure hyperbole. Not a single problem with any of that.

But please don't insult my, and millions of other voters, intelligence, by trying to claim that the Progressive Left did not try everything to get the Brexit vote over turned. You make yourself look like a fool.

Own that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.