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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 22 10.48am
I have, or rather more accurately had, a long-standing good friend in the USA who became completely enamoured with Alex Jones and InfoWars. He is a good guy, kind, thoughtful and helpful but increasingly lived his life on the internet and, via various contacts he made there, became absolutely distrustful of the MSM and convinced by the wildest of conspiracy theories. It's far from an untypical story. We see it, perhaps not to this extreme, here. My friend repeatedly forwarded Infowars videos, which he could still see even after they were banned. He sent Jones a large chunk of his income, so he could carry on his "work". I patiently tried to reason with him for years because at heart he is a nice man, and it's sad to see this happening, but eventually it became too time-consuming and disheartening. So I broke the contact. This pandemic of misinformation in the USA is worse than here, and ours is bad enough. It's infecting the minds of so many and destroying their ability to make rational, logical judgements. How to deal with it, especially in the face of those who see any attempts to regulate information as an attack on free speech, is a very major problem for us all. I am out of ideas on this. Does anyone have any? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 22 10.48am

I have, or rather more accurately had, a long-standing good friend in the USA who became completely enamoured with Alex Jones and InfoWars. He is a good guy, kind, thoughtful and helpful but increasingly lived his life on the internet and, via various contacts he made there, became absolutely distrustful of the MSM and convinced by the wildest of conspiracy theories.

It's far from an untypical story. We see it, perhaps not to this extreme, here.

My friend repeatedly forwarded Infowars videos, which he could still see even after they were banned. He sent Jones a large chunk of his income, so he could carry on his "work".

I patiently tried to reason with him for years because at heart he is a nice man, and it's sad to see this happening, but eventually it became too time-consuming and disheartening. So I broke the contact.

This pandemic of misinformation in the USA is worse than here, and ours is bad enough. It's infecting the minds of so many and destroying their ability to make rational, logical judgements.

How to deal with it, especially in the face of those who see any attempts to regulate information as an attack on free speech, is a very major problem for us all.

I am out of ideas on this. Does anyone have any?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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YT Oxford 13 Oct 22 11.32am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I have, or rather more accurately had, a long-standing good friend in the USA who became completely enamoured with Alex Jones and InfoWars. He is a good guy, kind, thoughtful and helpful but increasingly lived his life on the internet and, via various contacts he made there, became absolutely distrustful of the MSM and convinced by the wildest of conspiracy theories. It's far from an untypical story. We see it, perhaps not to this extreme, here. My friend repeatedly forwarded Infowars videos, which he could still see even after they were banned. He sent Jones a large chunk of his income, so he could carry on his "work". I patiently tried to reason with him for years because at heart he is a nice man, and it's sad to see this happening, but eventually it became too time-consuming and disheartening. So I broke the contact. This pandemic of misinformation in the USA is worse than here, and ours is bad enough. It's infecting the minds of so many and destroying their ability to make rational, logical judgements. How to deal with it, especially in the face of those who see any attempts to regulate information as an attack on free speech, is a very major problem for us all. I am out of ideas on this. Does anyone have any? Natural selection in action. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 13 Oct 22 11.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's far from an untypical story. We see it, perhaps not to this extreme, here.

My friend repeatedly forwarded Infowars videos, which he could still see even after they were banned. He sent Jones a large chunk of his income, so he could carry on his "work".

This pandemic of misinformation in the USA is worse than here, and ours is bad enough. It's infecting the minds of so many and destroying their ability to make rational, logical judgements.

How to deal with it, especially in the face of those who see any attempts to regulate information as an attack on free speech, is a very major problem for us all.

I am out of ideas on this. Does anyone have any?

Natural selection in action.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Oct 22 12.10pm
Nasty bankrupt ordered to pay damages, what else is there? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 13 Oct 22 12.10pm

Nasty bankrupt ordered to pay damages, what else is there?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Mattconrov 13 Oct 22 3.35pm
So who decides what misinformation is? If it's the government who decides then I have plenty of misinformation I could quote wisbeach Edited by Mattconrov (13 Oct 2022 4.00pm) " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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13 Oct 22 3.35pm

So who decides what misinformation is? If it's the government who decides then I have plenty of misinformation I could quote wisbeach

Edited by Mattconrov (13 Oct 2022 4.00pm)

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 13 Oct 22 3.53pm
Mad as a box of gay frogs but good value & has got a surprising amount right over the years. billion is a bit ott, been made a political example of. He used to be a Democrat until they went even more insane than him. Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Oct 2022 3.53pm) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 13 Oct 22 3.53pm

Mad as a box of gay frogs but good value & has got a surprising amount right over the years.

billion is a bit ott, been made a political example of.

He used to be a Democrat until they went even more insane than him.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Oct 2022 3.53pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Mattconrov 13 Oct 22 3.56pm
Frogs is a good word to use for Alex. When he said they are turning the frogs gay by polluting the water. He was using a study from a University or such. He is the archetypal kill the messenger person. " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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Mattconrov

13 Oct 22 3.56pm

Frogs is a good word to use for Alex. When he said they are turning the frogs gay by polluting the water. He was using a study from a University or such. He is the archetypal kill the messenger person.

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 13 Oct 22 3.57pm
Originally posted by Mattconrov Frogs is a good word to use for Alex. When he said they are turning the frogs gay by polluting the water. He was using a study from a University or such. He is the archetypal kill the messenger person. He was 100% correct on the gay frog thing The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Ouzo Dan

Behind you 13 Oct 22 3.57pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

He was 100% correct on the gay frog thing

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Mattconrov 13 Oct 22 3.59pm
The stories about fish committing suicide because of the anti depressants in the water is interesting. Plus kinda funny is a bad way. " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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Mattconrov

13 Oct 22 3.59pm

The stories about fish committing suicide because of the anti depressants in the water is interesting. Plus kinda funny is a bad way.

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Mattconrov 13 Oct 22 4.01pm
Originally posted by Mattconrov So who decides what misinformation is? If it's the government who decides then I have plenty of misinformation I could quote wisbech Edited by Mattconrov (13 Oct 2022 4.00pm) " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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13 Oct 22 4.01pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

So who decides what misinformation is? If it's the government who decides then I have plenty of misinformation I could quote wisbech

Edited by Mattconrov (13 Oct 2022 4.00pm)

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Glazier#1 13 Oct 22 6.54pm
Originally posted by silvertop There are a worrying number of posters on here who believe him, or hacks of his ilk. Is that what you wanted to say Glazier? Well, it seems to me that there are those on here who support Trump. It is also likely that there are many Trump supporters who subscribe to the conspiracy theories (beliefs?), many of whom are strong NRA supporters who would like to undermine the anti-gun lobby. Many of these would also be the gun-toting, far - right supporters (in many cases white supremacists) who sought to use force to overcome an election result by force. Free speech? Many of these followers are not averse to physically threatening (and worse) those who might be considered to be 'bad' or biased reporters at the scenes of rallies etc of said types. All in the name of 'free speech'. Ironically. Accusations thrown about by Jones over this horrendous episode might be said to be inflaming such supporters and, although he might, disingenuously, say he's not responsible for how people react to such accusations, he well knows what he is doing by fanning the flames. In typical Trump fashion, he asserts that he's said sorry and taking it any further by holding him to account is, therefore, turning it into a 'witch hunt', attempting to spin the events so that he becomes the victim. This, surely, must raise many questions for debate and, although todays news is the latest chapter, it's not a new story at all so writing my post at 6.15 am is neither here nor there. What is 'disturbing' is that there has been a deafening silence on this forum, where so many like to trumpet the values of free speech and how the disgraceful 'lefties' have taken over the free speech agenda. Whatever one's views, this surely, is at the centre of such a debate. I can't help thinking that, had these events been stirred up by the common hate figures here - 'the left' - there would have been a tummult of outrage. Unless, of course, one disbelieves the stories of the disgusting repercussions of his libelous accusations, the cost to grief-stricken parents and relatives just doesn't bear thinking about. As shocking as it gets, surely. Yet? Nothing. Not a dickie bird. Or did I miss it? Edited by Glazier#1 (13 Oct 2022 6.59pm)
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13 Oct 22 6.54pm

Originally posted by silvertop

There are a worrying number of posters on here who believe him, or hacks of his ilk.

Is that what you wanted to say Glazier?

Well, it seems to me that there are those on here who support Trump.

It is also likely that there are many Trump supporters who subscribe to the conspiracy theories (beliefs?), many of whom are strong NRA supporters who would like to undermine the anti-gun lobby.

Many of these would also be the gun-toting, far - right supporters (in many cases white supremacists) who sought to use force to overcome an election result by force.

Free speech? Many of these followers are not averse to physically threatening (and worse) those who might be considered to be 'bad' or biased reporters at the scenes of rallies etc of said types. All in the name of 'free speech'. Ironically.

Accusations thrown about by Jones over this horrendous episode might be said to be inflaming such supporters and, although he might, disingenuously, say he's not responsible for how people react to such accusations, he well knows what he is doing by fanning the flames.

In typical Trump fashion, he asserts that he's said sorry and taking it any further by holding him to account is, therefore, turning it into a 'witch hunt', attempting to spin the events so that he becomes the victim.

This, surely, must raise many questions for debate and, although todays news is the latest chapter, it's not a new story at all so writing my post at 6.15 am is neither here nor there.

What is 'disturbing' is that there has been a deafening silence on this forum, where so many like to trumpet the values of free speech and how the disgraceful 'lefties' have taken over the free speech agenda.

Whatever one's views, this surely, is at the centre of such a debate.

I can't help thinking that, had these events been stirred up by the common hate figures here - 'the left' - there would have been a tummult of outrage.

Unless, of course, one disbelieves the stories of the disgusting repercussions of his libelous accusations, the cost to grief-stricken parents and relatives just doesn't bear thinking about. As shocking as it gets, surely.

Yet?

Nothing. Not a dickie bird. Or did I miss it?

Edited by Glazier#1 (13 Oct 2022 6.59pm)

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