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JRW2 Dulwich 26 Sep 22 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
In my opinion it's not a government's role to tell private sector employers how to remunerate their employees. Footballers are remunerated beyond the wildest dreams of most bankers, so why not ban them from receiving bonuses? In any case, banning bonuses is simple to circumvent by paying a higher salary instead. Well said.
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crystal-purley Purley 26 Sep 22 9.51pm | |
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Originally posted by JRW2
Well said. It is when the banks had to be bailed out to the tune of £420bn. In an ideal world it would be great to have bankers who could be trusted and as someone pointed out further up the septics were really the problem at that time although we didn't have to chew on an already well gnawed bone.
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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 22 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by crystal-purley
It is when the banks had to be bailed out to the tune of £420bn. In an ideal world it would be great to have bankers who could be trusted and as someone pointed out further up the septics were really the problem at that time although we didn't have to chew on an already well gnawed bone. Would the banks bail us out? Not a chance. As for the BOE performance they must be taking the piss!
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Stirlingsays 26 Sep 22 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by crystal-purley
It is when the banks had to be bailed out to the tune of £420bn. In an ideal world it would be great to have bankers who could be trusted and as someone pointed out further up the septics were really the problem at that time although we didn't have to chew on an already well gnawed bone. I think this is very relevant. I'll all for the attitude that government isn't there to dictate to the private sector. However, I'm afraid after 2008 that argument has been severely damaged. When you go cap in hand to the state because you're 'too big to fail'.....I'm afraid you lose not only trust but also a certain amount of autonomy. When your sector had to be saved by Joe Public.....Something which was incredibly damaging, caused death and ruination and hasn't been recovered from....then yeah....We don't want to hear 'we know best' again. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2022 10.19pm)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 27 Sep 22 12.05am | |
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The 2008 financial crisis was led by the US and deregulation introduced by Labour. Under Labour lenders were allowed to lend over 100% of the value in the UK. The bail out ended up as an investment that returned a profit for the taxpayer. Most of the commentary here is just ideology.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 27 Sep 22 12.07am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Would the banks bail us out? Not a chance. As for the BOE performance they must be taking the piss!
Would you rather have had a collapase of the banking system, that was the choice. I agree the BOE has been unfit fir purpose past few years
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Dubai Eagle 27 Sep 22 7.14am | |
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I remember taking the kids to the cinema to see one of the Gru films (the guy with the minions) -Gru goes to the "Bank of Evil" to fund the building of a rocket required to steal the moon, under the sign for Bank of Evil was a sign - Originally posted by HKOwen
The 2008 financial crisis was led by the US and deregulation introduced by Labour. Under Labour lenders were allowed to lend over 100% of the value in the UK. The bail out ended up as an investment that returned a profit for the taxpayer. Most of the commentary here is just ideology.
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Sep 22 7.54am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Would you rather have had a collapase of the banking system, that was the choice. I agree the BOE has been unfit fir purpose past few years
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Sep 22 10.03am | |
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I worked in the Banking industry for over 40 years. I wasn't in one of those jobs that pay the mega bonuses that the media like to comment on. But I worked with and knew people that were. I don't begrudge those people. It's hire and fire and entirely results driven. Akin to being a football manager. At another place in time, the decision to lift the cap could make sense. But it's certainly not now. Truss & Co have either totally ignored the needs of the people or just plain don't get it. Not sure which is worse ! Now the media are railing against the City Boys '' betting against UK PLC ''. Well, that's their job. To maximise profit for the organisation they work for. And lifting the bonus cap will just line their pockets even further. Still, it will trickle down won't it ( not ). Going back to 2008, I was subjected to the chaos wrought by Freddie Goodwin. An out of control ego maniac enabled by a Board whose Chairman was a Chemist not a Banker ! Brown had no option but to bail RBS out otherwise the whole system was at high risk. Footage of Goodwin denying that RBS had any exposure to Sub Prime lending should have been enough on its own to land him in jail. Edited by NEILLO (27 Sep 2022 10.04am) Edited by NEILLO (27 Sep 2022 10.05am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Sep 22 10.41am | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I worked in the Banking industry for over 40 years. I wasn't in one of those jobs that pay the mega bonuses that the media like to comment on. But I worked with and knew people that were. I don't begrudge those people. It's hire and fire and entirely results driven. Akin to being a football manager. At another place in time, the decision to lift the cap could make sense. But it's certainly not now. Truss & Co have either totally ignored the needs of the people or just plain don't get it. Not sure which is worse ! Now the media are railing against the City Boys '' betting against UK PLC ''. Well, that's their job. To maximise profit for the organisation they work for. And lifting the bonus cap will just line their pockets even further. Still, it will trickle down won't it ( not ). Going back to 2008, I was subjected to the chaos wrought by Freddie Goodwin. An out of control ego maniac enabled by a Board whose Chairman was a Chemist not a Banker ! Brown had no option but to bail RBS out otherwise the whole system was at high risk. Footage of Goodwin denying that RBS had any exposure to Sub Prime lending should have been enough on its own to land him in jail. Edited by NEILLO (27 Sep 2022 10.04am) Edited by NEILLO (27 Sep 2022 10.05am) Alex Salmon sent a public letter to Goodwin demanding that they go ahead and buy ABN AMRO which caused the downfall of RBS because of the hidden toxic debt. I worked for Citi at the time we walked away from that deal when we realised it was a poison chalice. Salmond of course was motivated by Scotland having the biggest bank in the world instead they ended up with one of the most toxic and if Scotland had been independent it would have bankrupted the country. Point this out next time the SNP give it the Braveheart, it was English money that saved Scotland yet again.
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silvertop Portishead 27 Sep 22 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I am no expert on this but what I have heard revolves around the idea I suppose that the ban remains in the EU and therefore this should attract foreign based staff to the UK. Add to this the fact that their highest tax rate will be 40% and you can perhaps understand some form of rationale behind the plan announced by the Government. Trickle down is theory not practice and a theory that appears to be advanced by the very people who profit from it. If you want to grow the economy, pay the poor. They have a higher propensity to spend what little they have and in this country. And this will introduce more at the top of the poor to the housing ladder. But they do not save and what they bu is largely imported. The wealthy will have more foreign holidays, if they are foreign are likely to send cash elsewhere and have footloose investments chasing the world's best rates i.e. money spent overseas. What they do buy, like houses, will become even pricier making the task of getting onto the ladder more difficult for those at the bottom of the chain. But they do save and they enrich the finance sector that props up the economy. The major recipients are the richest percentile in London and the south east. Levelling up between the regions will reverse (if it even started). And the worst effected will be the poorer 90% masses of London and the south east who will have diminishing funds yet runaway costs inflated by the expanding wealth of the top 10% around them.
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silvertop Portishead 27 Sep 22 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Is that the only reason?
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