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YT Oxford 09 Aug 22 11.20am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer Oh, was it? Missed that, my apologies. and Yes, that had occured to me too. Call me a stubborn geezer, but I won't change my mind though. Sorry; my comment about a previous thread wasn't meant as a dig at you. It was me not wanting to take credit for a comment someone else may already have made. No need for an apology, my friend. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 09 Aug 22 11.20am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Oh, was it? Missed that, my apologies.
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Yes, that had occured to me too.

Call me a stubborn geezer, but I won't change my mind though.

Sorry; my comment about a previous thread wasn't meant as a dig at you. It was me not wanting to take credit for a comment someone else may already have made. No need for an apology, my friend.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Daddyorc Atlantic Highlands, NJ 09 Aug 22 11.28am
For me it is goal kicks and throw-ins. I think they should create a rule, you have 15 seconds to kick / throw the ball when retrieved. And they need to enforce it.
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Daddyorc

Atlantic Highlands, NJ 09 Aug 22 11.28am

For me it is goal kicks and throw-ins.

I think they should create a rule, you have 15 seconds to kick / throw the ball when retrieved.

And they need to enforce it.

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YT Oxford 09 Aug 22 2.06pm
Originally posted by Daddyorc For me it is goal kicks and throw-ins. I think they should create a rule, you have 15 seconds to kick / throw the ball when retrieved. And they need to enforce it. I imagine such a rule would not be enforced equally (i.e. it would be over-enforced for the likes of us and under-enforced for the likes of the bin-dippers), but it's an interesting idea. What would be the sanction for failing to beat the clock? A corner/throw-in to the other side, I guess. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 09 Aug 22 2.06pm

Originally posted by Daddyorc

For me it is goal kicks and throw-ins.

I think they should create a rule, you have 15 seconds to kick / throw the ball when retrieved.

And they need to enforce it.

I imagine such a rule would not be enforced equally (i.e. it would be over-enforced for the likes of us and under-enforced for the likes of the bin-dippers), but it's an interesting idea. What would be the sanction for failing to beat the clock? A corner/throw-in to the other side, I guess.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Aug 22 2.42pm
Most sports have an oficial clock. Why football still has the ref's watch decide the length of a game is baffling. As with American Football, there should be specific times when the clock is stopped to avoid time wasting and the usual discrepencies. With 5 subs, teams will now effecively be able to run down and disrupt the last 10 minutes of a game if they are winning. That cannot be right.
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Most sports have an oficial clock. Why football still has the ref's watch decide the length of a game is baffling.

As with American Football, there should be specific times when the clock is stopped to avoid time wasting and the usual discrepencies.

With 5 subs, teams will now effecively be able to run down and disrupt the last 10 minutes of a game if they are winning. That cannot be right.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 09 Aug 22 2.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Most sports have an oficial clock. Why football still has the ref's watch decide the length of a game is baffling. As with American Football, there should be specific times when the clock is stopped to avoid time wasting and the usual discrepencies. With 5 subs, teams will now effecively be able to run down and disrupt the last 10 minutes of a game if they are winning. That cannot be right. Quite Hrolf. They have an official clock in rugby and the ref stops it if an injury needs attention or while they refer to the TMO. Simple. Edited by Palace Old Geezer (09 Aug 2022 2.59pm) Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Most sports have an oficial clock. Why football still has the ref's watch decide the length of a game is baffling.

As with American Football, there should be specific times when the clock is stopped to avoid time wasting and the usual discrepencies.

With 5 subs, teams will now effecively be able to run down and disrupt the last 10 minutes of a game if they are winning. That cannot be right.

Quite Hrolf. They have an official clock in rugby and the ref stops it if an injury needs attention or while they refer to the TMO. Simple.

Edited by Palace Old Geezer (09 Aug 2022 2.59pm)

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Pete53 Hassocks 09 Aug 22 4.20pm
Originally posted by YT "Subbing" was recently discussed in another thread. In theory, a substitution will not eat up any playing time because additional time is supposed to be added on by the referee but, as mentioned in that thread, they nevertheless can disrupt the flow of the game. Your suggestion about the final phase is interesting, but surely you must see that coaches would simply tell their players to start limping at the appropriate time! Agreed. When substitutes were first introduced in to the game in the mid 60s each team were only allowed one sub. and the intention was that the sub. would only be used to replace an injured player. However, the injury requirement was fairly quickly dropped as it quickly became apparent that this was impossible to police.
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Hassocks 09 Aug 22 4.20pm

Originally posted by YT

"Subbing" was recently discussed in another thread. In theory, a substitution will not eat up any playing time because additional time is supposed to be added on by the referee but, as mentioned in that thread, they nevertheless can disrupt the flow of the game. Your suggestion about the final phase is interesting, but surely you must see that coaches would simply tell their players to start limping at the appropriate time!

Agreed. When substitutes were first introduced in to the game in the mid 60s each team were only allowed one sub. and the intention was that the sub. would only be used to replace an injured player. However, the injury requirement was fairly quickly dropped as it quickly became apparent that this was impossible to police.

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YT Oxford 09 Aug 22 4.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Most sports have an oficial clock. Why football still has the ref's watch decide the length of a game is baffling. As with American Football, there should be specific times when the clock is stopped to avoid time wasting and the usual discrepencies. With 5 subs, teams will now effecively be able to run down and disrupt the last 10 minutes of a game if they are winning. That cannot be right. I tend to agree with you on clock-stopping, however I suspect that such a rule would need to be accompanied by a reduction from 90 minutes, as I can't imagine today's prima donnas being able to survive an hour and a half's actual playing time. A couple of points, well-intentioned but no doubt some will accuse me of pedantry: 1. The ref's watch DOESN'T determine the length of a game. The ref is only responsible for bringing to an end the 2 or 3 (or 10 in the case of a top club that's losing) minutes at the end of a half that's been decreed by someone else. The ref therefore has a tiny bit of leeway to add a little extra on for any jiggery-pokery. The real issue, as you cover in your second paragraph, is actual time vs. playing time. 2. Yes, 5 subs will inevitably be potentially more disruptive, although I think it was discussed in the earlier thread that only 3 tactical substitution opportunities may be taken. For example, to get all 5 subs on tactically (rather than because of injury) might be done as 2 then another 2 then the final 1 (etc). Obviously allowing a variation on this in the event of injury will be massively open to abuse. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 09 Aug 22 4.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Most sports have an oficial clock. Why football still has the ref's watch decide the length of a game is baffling.

As with American Football, there should be specific times when the clock is stopped to avoid time wasting and the usual discrepencies.

With 5 subs, teams will now effecively be able to run down and disrupt the last 10 minutes of a game if they are winning. That cannot be right.

I tend to agree with you on clock-stopping, however I suspect that such a rule would need to be accompanied by a reduction from 90 minutes, as I can't imagine today's prima donnas being able to survive an hour and a half's actual playing time.

A couple of points, well-intentioned but no doubt some will accuse me of pedantry:

1. The ref's watch DOESN'T determine the length of a game. The ref is only responsible for bringing to an end the 2 or 3 (or 10 in the case of a top club that's losing) minutes at the end of a half that's been decreed by someone else. The ref therefore has a tiny bit of leeway to add a little extra on for any jiggery-pokery. The real issue, as you cover in your second paragraph, is actual time vs. playing time.

2. Yes, 5 subs will inevitably be potentially more disruptive, although I think it was discussed in the earlier thread that only 3 tactical substitution opportunities may be taken. For example, to get all 5 subs on tactically (rather than because of injury) might be done as 2 then another 2 then the final 1 (etc). Obviously allowing a variation on this in the event of injury will be massively open to abuse.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Tickled pink Cornwall 10 Aug 22 10.08am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Time to stop the clock for certain things with the ref being able to stop it if he sees fit.o Penalties and injuries would be a good start. The clock should be on the big screen as well. I hate Everton Agree, ball goes out of play clock goes out of play, simple.
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Cornwall 10 Aug 22 10.08am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Time to stop the clock for certain things with the ref being able to stop it if he sees fit.o
Penalties and injuries would be a good start.
The clock should be on the big screen as well.
I hate Everton

Agree, ball goes out of play clock goes out of play, simple.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 10 Aug 22 11.20am
A good item by Ian Ladyman in the Mail today relevant to this thread. IAN LADYMAN: Time-wasting is an endemic in the national game [Link] via [Link] He makes a number of the points and suggestions that you've been discussing on here. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 10 Aug 22 11.20am

A good item by Ian Ladyman in the Mail today relevant to this thread.
IAN LADYMAN: Time-wasting is an endemic in the national game [Link] via [Link]
He makes a number of the points and suggestions that you've been discussing on here.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Spiderman Horsham 10 Aug 22 11.39am
Originally posted by YT I imagine such a rule would not be enforced equally (i.e. it would be over-enforced for the likes of us and under-enforced for the likes of the bin-dippers), but it's an interesting idea. What would be the sanction for failing to beat the clock? A corner/throw-in to the other side, I guess. You mean like every other rule seems to be
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Spiderman

Horsham 10 Aug 22 11.39am

Originally posted by YT

You mean like every other rule seems to be

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Spiderman Horsham 10 Aug 22 11.41am
Originally posted by Daddyorc For me it is goal kicks and throw-ins. I think they should create a rule, you have 15 seconds to kick / throw the ball when retrieved. And they need to enforce it. What also irritates me is how much yardage is gained when taking a throw in. Even when told to retreat by the ref, they still move forward and the refs then ignore it
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Horsham 10 Aug 22 11.41am

Originally posted by Daddyorc

For me it is goal kicks and throw-ins.

I think they should create a rule, you have 15 seconds to kick / throw the ball when retrieved.

And they need to enforce it.

What also irritates me is how much yardage is gained when taking a throw in. Even when told to retreat by the ref, they still move forward and the refs then ignore it

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 10 Aug 22 12.12pm
Originally posted by Spiderman What also irritates me is how much yardage is gained when taking a throw in. Even when told to retreat by the ref, they still move forward and the refs then ignore it Has long been a real bugbear of mine Spiderman!! It doesn't get as much exposure but I do like when the ball goes out for a defensive team's throw on, near enough next to their corner flag, and they end up throwing the ball into near the other half!! Madness. It's a huge difference between 'not quite the exact spot' and walking up the line at your leisure!! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 10 Aug 22 12.12pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

What also irritates me is how much yardage is gained when taking a throw in. Even when told to retreat by the ref, they still move forward and the refs then ignore it

Has long been a real bugbear of mine Spiderman!!

It doesn't get as much exposure but I do like when the ball goes out for a defensive team's throw on, near enough next to their corner flag, and they end up throwing the ball into near the other half!! Madness. It's a huge difference between 'not quite the exact spot' and walking up the line at your leisure!!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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