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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 2.53pm
It looks inevitable doesn't it? But a no this time has to put it to bed. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 2.53pm

It looks inevitable doesn't it? But a no this time has to put it to bed.

Red and Blue Army!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 29 Jun 22 3.10pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC It looks inevitable doesn't it? But a no this time has to put it to bed. You can"t blame them if they watch our gov spokesmen on tv defending bungle- it"s enough to make anyone want out!
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Any european country i fancy! 29 Jun 22 3.10pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It looks inevitable doesn't it? But a no this time has to put it to bed.

You can"t blame them if they watch our gov spokesmen on tv defending bungle- it"s enough to make anyone want out!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 3.45pm
Originally posted by croydon proud You can"t blame them if they watch our gov spokesmen on tv defending bungle- it"s enough to make anyone want out! Therein lies the problem. Scotland could vote out in a protest vote over the current situation, rather than any long term reality for their own country. The kind of independence the SNP want would probably take 50-100 years before establishing much - depends on how much they get subsidised by UK and EU. Major issues: North Sea Oil, Military and defence - particularly RAF and Navy, the EU and immigration, exports, imports. Not quite as straight forward as colouring book geographers in the SNP would like. And there will certainly be boundary issues too. I'm guessing they want Berwick back - they all want their kilts and eat it. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 3.45pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

You can"t blame them if they watch our gov spokesmen on tv defending bungle- it"s enough to make anyone want out!

Therein lies the problem. Scotland could vote out in a protest vote over the current situation, rather than any long term reality for their own country.
The kind of independence the SNP want would probably take 50-100 years before establishing much - depends on how much they get subsidised by UK and EU.
Major issues: North Sea Oil, Military and defence - particularly RAF and Navy, the EU and immigration, exports, imports. Not quite as straight forward as colouring book geographers in the SNP would like. And there will certainly be boundary issues too. I'm guessing they want Berwick back - they all want their kilts and eat it.

Red and Blue Army!

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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jun 22 4.36pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Therein lies the problem. Scotland could vote out in a protest vote over the current situation, rather than any long term reality for their own country. The kind of independence the SNP want would probably take 50-100 years before establishing much - depends on how much they get subsidised by UK and EU. Major issues: North Sea Oil, Military and defence - particularly RAF and Navy, the EU and immigration, exports, imports. Not quite as straight forward as colouring book geographers in the SNP would like. And there will certainly be boundary issues too. I'm guessing they want Berwick back - they all want their kilts and eat it. Immigration will be an issue. The SNP favour a significant population increase quite how the locals will feel if this happens remains to be seen. However the issue is that the UK will not allow Scotland to become a back door for immigrants flying into Scotland and then jumping on a train to London. How then does the UK stop that? A hard border? We also have the problem of Scots moving freely from the Auld country to work in the UK, why should they get preference over others? I can see an EU residency style registration process in the UK after which the Scots will be on a par with the rest of the world. I can see many Scots giving it the braveheart in the pub whilst hanging onto to their UK passport to get round this. One more point
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Beckenham 29 Jun 22 4.36pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Therein lies the problem. Scotland could vote out in a protest vote over the current situation, rather than any long term reality for their own country.
The kind of independence the SNP want would probably take 50-100 years before establishing much - depends on how much they get subsidised by UK and EU.
Major issues: North Sea Oil, Military and defence - particularly RAF and Navy, the EU and immigration, exports, imports. Not quite as straight forward as colouring book geographers in the SNP would like. And there will certainly be boundary issues too. I'm guessing they want Berwick back - they all want their kilts and eat it.

Immigration will be an issue. The SNP favour a significant population increase quite how the locals will feel if this happens remains to be seen.

However the issue is that the UK will not allow Scotland to become a back door for immigrants flying into Scotland and then jumping on a train to London. How then does the UK stop that? A hard border?

We also have the problem of Scots moving freely from the Auld country to work in the UK, why should they get preference over others?

I can see an EU residency style registration process in the UK after which the Scots will be on a par with the rest of the world. I can see many Scots giving it the braveheart in the pub whilst hanging onto to their UK passport to get round this.

One more point

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Jun 22 4.50pm
Originally posted by croydon proud You can"t blame them if they watch our gov spokesmen on tv defending bungle- it"s enough to make anyone want out! Will they be able to survive without Westminster funding? Presumably all funding will be removed, hopefully!
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Horsham 29 Jun 22 4.50pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

You can"t blame them if they watch our gov spokesmen on tv defending bungle- it"s enough to make anyone want out!

Will they be able to survive without Westminster funding? Presumably all funding will be removed, hopefully!

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Jun 22 4.52pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Immigration will be an issue. The SNP favour a significant population increase quite how the locals will feel if this happens remains to be seen. However the issue is that the UK will not allow Scotland to become a back door for immigrants flying into Scotland and then jumping on a train to London. How then does the UK stop that? A hard border? We also have the problem of Scots moving freely from the Auld country to work in the UK, why should they get preference over others? I can see an EU residency style registration process in the UK after which the Scots will be on a par with the rest of the world. I can see many Scots giving it the braveheart in the pub whilst hanging onto to their UK passport to get round this. And here lies the problem. They want independence but will still want all the benefits of being in the UK
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Horsham 29 Jun 22 4.52pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Immigration will be an issue. The SNP favour a significant population increase quite how the locals will feel if this happens remains to be seen.

We also have the problem of Scots moving freely from the Auld country to work in the UK, why should they get preference over others?

And here lies the problem. They want independence but will still want all the benefits of being in the UK

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W12 29 Jun 22 5.23pm
I would gladly see the dissolution of the act of union as constitutionally it would undo all of the unjust laws and statutes that have been put in place under the likes of Blair and Cameron. All would be null and void. Wouldn't like to lose the Scots though as I see them as our brothers.
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W12 29 Jun 22 5.23pm

I would gladly see the dissolution of the act of union as constitutionally it would undo all of the unjust laws and statutes that have been put in place under the likes of Blair and Cameron. All would be null and void.

Wouldn't like to lose the Scots though as I see them as our brothers.

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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jun 22 5.36pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Will they be able to survive without Westminster funding? Presumably all funding will be removed, hopefully! According to Alex Salmon the Scots do not owe us anything regarding the national debt. Well if the SNP walk away without paying their fair share of the bill good luck to them getting finance in the international money markets, nobody likes a welcher. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 29 Jun 22 5.36pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Will they be able to survive without Westminster funding? Presumably all funding will be removed, hopefully!

According to Alex Salmon the Scots do not owe us anything regarding the national debt. Well if the SNP walk away without paying their fair share of the bill good luck to them getting finance in the international money markets, nobody likes a welcher.

One more point

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Jun 22 6.20pm
Originally posted by Badger11 According to Alex Salmon the Scots do not owe us anything regarding the national debt. Well if the SNP walk away without paying their fair share of the bill good luck to them getting finance in the international money markets, nobody likes a welcher. Russia got away with it after the revolution. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 29 Jun 22 6.20pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Russia got away with it after the revolution.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jun 22 6.34pm
Referendums are bitter divisive and have long-lasting consequences eg Brexit, Scots will not be looking forward to this. A vote cast for the SNP at an election should be a vote for independence it is the people's choice. Definitely not the Supreme Court, the tory geriatrica. Some of their decisions are even worse than the USA model. Recent voting in Scotland shows increased support for the SNP after a long stint, and the demise of tory support now in a very poor third place, and even they rebelled against Johnson. To continue inflicting policies from Westminster that are clearly not in the interests and not wanted by the other countries is rather like the end of empire. And frankly, with Johnsons desperate administration, it's good riddance.
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Croydon 29 Jun 22 6.34pm

Referendums are bitter divisive and have long-lasting consequences eg Brexit, Scots will not be looking forward to this.

A vote cast for the SNP at an election should be a vote for independence it is the people's choice.

Definitely not the Supreme Court, the tory geriatrica.

Some of their decisions are even worse than the USA model.

Recent voting in Scotland shows increased support for the SNP after a long stint, and the demise of tory support now in a very poor third place, and even they rebelled against Johnson.

To continue inflicting policies from Westminster that are clearly not in the interests and not wanted by the other countries is rather like the end of empire.

And frankly, with Johnsons desperate administration, it's good riddance.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 7.25pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Russia got away with it after the revolution. In exchange for large tracts of land and resources. Ireland would be the go to example really. Incredibly poor until perhaps the 90s. So about 70-80 years after independence. Modern times are quicker of course. I'd give Scotland maybe 50 years before it can stand on its own two feet. The other countries to look at are former Soviet satellites. Some are ok for some people, most have much decaying infrastructure and little cash to go round. Some aren't worth mentioning as they've gone back. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 7.25pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Russia got away with it after the revolution.

In exchange for large tracts of land and resources.

Ireland would be the go to example really. Incredibly poor until perhaps the 90s. So about 70-80 years after independence. Modern times are quicker of course. I'd give Scotland maybe 50 years before it can stand on its own two feet.
The other countries to look at are former Soviet satellites. Some are ok for some people, most have much decaying infrastructure and little cash to go round. Some aren't worth mentioning as they've gone back.

Red and Blue Army!

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YT Oxford 29 Jun 22 7.26pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Referendums are bitter divisive and have long-lasting consequences eg Brexit, Scots will not be looking forward to this. A vote cast for the SNP at an election should be a vote for independence it is the people's choice. Definitely not the Supreme Court, the tory geriatrica. Some of their decisions are even worse than the USA model. Recent voting in Scotland shows increased support for the SNP after a long stint, and the demise of tory support now in a very poor third place, and even they rebelled against Johnson. To continue inflicting policies from Westminster that are clearly not in the interests and not wanted by the other countries is rather like the end of empire. And frankly, with Johnsons desperate administration, it's good riddance. Presumably you are stating what you would like to be the case, because the actual case is completely the opposite. Constitutional matters affecting the UK are solely the remit of the UK parliament. And before you start having a go, I'm completely ambivalent regarding Scottish independence. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 29 Jun 22 7.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Referendums are bitter divisive and have long-lasting consequences eg Brexit, Scots will not be looking forward to this.

A vote cast for the SNP at an election should be a vote for independence it is the people's choice.

Definitely not the Supreme Court, the tory geriatrica.

To continue inflicting policies from Westminster that are clearly not in the interests and not wanted by the other countries is rather like the end of empire.

And frankly, with Johnsons desperate administration, it's good riddance.

Presumably you are stating what you would like to be the case, because the actual case is completely the opposite. Constitutional matters affecting the UK are solely the remit of the UK parliament. And before you start having a go, I'm completely ambivalent regarding Scottish independence.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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