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Omph Liverpool 21 Mar 22 10.59am
Originally posted by silvertop Listen, I don't disagree with anything said above, but by way of balance... This time last season we had 3 more points. Our goal difference was - 16, but it is the points that count. Roy ball was unwatchable dull, but it was effective. And then there is the fitness. The new support facilities are putting us on level pegging with most of the teams in this division. And - most importantly - the physio room, for the first time since we came up, is not resembling a combat hospital. We are not hearing weekly reports of yet another player injured in training. Yesterday, we only had Nathan Ferguson and Macca out. You could argue that, given the better players and lack of absentees, why is PV not doing better? I suspect we are where we are in the league as the team is still in transition. Hence the need to iron out those silly errors that converted wins to draws and losses. I wouldn't swap what we have with what we had last season. That was a holding pattern. This one is dynamic and can only get better. Next season, I hope the progress continues and, perhaps, we may be playing European football in the next, possibly with the ability and resources to replicate what West Ham are doing now. All fair points. We'll need to see how things develop next season with fitness before drawing too many conclusions but we have definitely benefitted hugely this season from a broadly injury free season. Stark contrast especially in defence where Mitchell, Guehi and Andersen have been close to ever present. Part of me thinks we may have got away with it slightly this time as our defensive cover has been very very thin this season. My memory of last season was that we actually started out playing some decent stuff with decent results and the injury crisis transformed us into something of a - highly ineffective - parody of Royball. Prefer to judge RH on his body of work rather than the memories of how it ended! Good point on a team in transition. A major flaw in the current set up is the inability to see games out. I'm struggling to remember any matches we've won against the run of play and can recall all too many winning draws. This is probably indicative of a team that is unsure of itself but is also a top down thing. PV has been very good in the most part but he has to take some flak for our inability to see things out. The team needs to learn but so I think does the manager - he's still in nappies really in the top flight.
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Omph

Liverpool 21 Mar 22 10.59am

Originally posted by silvertop

Listen, I don't disagree with anything said above, but by way of balance...

This time last season we had 3 more points. Our goal difference was - 16, but it is the points that count.

Roy ball was unwatchable dull, but it was effective.

And then there is the fitness. The new support facilities are putting us on level pegging with most of the teams in this division. And - most importantly - the physio room, for the first time since we came up, is not resembling a combat hospital. We are not hearing weekly reports of yet another player injured in training. Yesterday, we only had Nathan Ferguson and Macca out. You could argue that, given the better players and lack of absentees, why is PV not doing better?

I suspect we are where we are in the league as the team is still in transition. Hence the need to iron out those silly errors that converted wins to draws and losses.

I wouldn't swap what we have with what we had last season. That was a holding pattern. This one is dynamic and can only get better.

Next season, I hope the progress continues and, perhaps, we may be playing European football in the next, possibly with the ability and resources to replicate what West Ham are doing now.

All fair points.

We'll need to see how things develop next season with fitness before drawing too many conclusions but we have definitely benefitted hugely this season from a broadly injury free season. Stark contrast especially in defence where Mitchell, Guehi and Andersen have been close to ever present. Part of me thinks we may have got away with it slightly this time as our defensive cover has been very very thin this season.

My memory of last season was that we actually started out playing some decent stuff with decent results and the injury crisis transformed us into something of a - highly ineffective - parody of Royball. Prefer to judge RH on his body of work rather than the memories of how it ended!

Good point on a team in transition. A major flaw in the current set up is the inability to see games out. I'm struggling to remember any matches we've won against the run of play and can recall all too many winning draws. This is probably indicative of a team that is unsure of itself but is also a top down thing. PV has been very good in the most part but he has to take some flak for our inability to see things out. The team needs to learn but so I think does the manager - he's still in nappies really in the top flight.

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Qwijibo Bournemouth 21 Mar 22 12.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The football's more exciting but the results and position are similar. A lot depends upon what happens in regards to Zaha and Gallagher next season. I don't see Gallagher at Palace next season....to put it frankly he's too good. I also think the odds of Zaha staying aren't good, but I hope I'm wrong on that. To be positive Freedman's eye for an affordable promising player....at least for Palace....has always been impressive and who knows what additions will be there. Olise, Mateta and Eze are exciting fixtures for the future....so we have the attacking aspects well covered and that's the main concern for most clubs. We also have exciting attacking talent coming through our academy. Instead we need strengthening in the McArthur/Gallagher role and at right back. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2022 10.10am) Yeah, Gallagher's gone. He deserves his chance at Chelsea who are clearly his first love. I just hope by the age of 24 he is a proper starter. I'd hate to see him in U23 football, with the career clock ticking away as he waits for his big break, a la Loftus Cheek. IF we were to ever sign Gallagher, I think it will be in about 3 years time, if his Chelsea career stalls and our stature is half decent. I actually think Zaha will go when it suits us. As he ages, I see it more likely he'll become a squad rotation player with us than a signing elsewhere. He deserves to score the winning goal in a cup final more than anyone else.
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Qwijibo

Bournemouth 21 Mar 22 12.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The football's more exciting but the results and position are similar.

A lot depends upon what happens in regards to Zaha and Gallagher next season.

I don't see Gallagher at Palace next season....to put it frankly he's too good. I also think the odds of Zaha staying aren't good, but I hope I'm wrong on that.

To be positive Freedman's eye for an affordable promising player....at least for Palace....has always been impressive and who knows what additions will be there.

Olise, Mateta and Eze are exciting fixtures for the future....so we have the attacking aspects well covered and that's the main concern for most clubs. We also have exciting attacking talent coming through our academy.

Instead we need strengthening in the McArthur/Gallagher role and at right back.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2022 10.10am)

Yeah, Gallagher's gone. He deserves his chance at Chelsea who are clearly his first love. I just hope by the age of 24 he is a proper starter. I'd hate to see him in U23 football, with the career clock ticking away as he waits for his big break, a la Loftus Cheek.

IF we were to ever sign Gallagher, I think it will be in about 3 years time, if his Chelsea career stalls and our stature is half decent.

I actually think Zaha will go when it suits us. As he ages, I see it more likely he'll become a squad rotation player with us than a signing elsewhere.

He deserves to score the winning goal in a cup final more than anyone else.

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The Dolphin 21 Mar 22 12.29pm
We have come a heck of a long way in my opinion. to change the side and the style all at once and be relatively safe with much more attractive football and in the FA cup semi finals is top notch! We have a good Manager who is a serial winner and a Chairman who is red and blue all through and we have money in the bank. We will lose Gallagher of course and there are more squad changes to make. I hope that Wilf stays - his work rate over the last few weeks has been exceptional - he suddenly appears to be the ultimate team player! Happy days everyone!
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The Dolphin

21 Mar 22 12.29pm

We have come a heck of a long way in my opinion.
to change the side and the style all at once and be relatively safe with much more attractive football and in the FA cup semi finals is top notch!
We have a good Manager who is a serial winner and a Chairman who is red and blue all through and we have money in the bank.
We will lose Gallagher of course and there are more squad changes to make.
I hope that Wilf stays - his work rate over the last few weeks has been exceptional - he suddenly appears to be the ultimate team player!
Happy days everyone!

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Mar 22 2.01pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin We have come a heck of a long way in my opinion. to change the side and the style all at once and be relatively safe with much more attractive football and in the FA cup semi finals is top notch! We have a good Manager who is a serial winner and a Chairman who is red and blue all through and we have money in the bank. We will lose Gallagher of course and there are more squad changes to make. I hope that Wilf stays - his work rate over the last few weeks has been exceptional - he suddenly appears to be the ultimate team player! Happy days everyone! Agree there and (in bold) I would be shocked if, especially dependant on PV staying, we do not see a bit more deadwood offloading and some fresher, within budget and promising signings coming through. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Mar 22 2.01pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

We have come a heck of a long way in my opinion.
to change the side and the style all at once and be relatively safe with much more attractive football and in the FA cup semi finals is top notch!
We have a good Manager who is a serial winner and a Chairman who is red and blue all through and we have money in the bank.
We will lose Gallagher of course and there are more squad changes to make.
I hope that Wilf stays - his work rate over the last few weeks has been exceptional - he suddenly appears to be the ultimate team player!
Happy days everyone!

Agree there and (in bold) I would be shocked if, especially dependant on PV staying, we do not see a bit more deadwood offloading and some fresher, within budget and promising signings
coming through.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Mar 22 2.16pm
In terms of the league table and results, after 29 games last season we had 3 more pts than we have currently and had won 10 games to our current 7. This season of course the football we have played is more progressive and supporters have been provided with far more entertainment than in recent seasons.There is positivity in the air!
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Mar 22 2.16pm

In terms of the league table and results, after 29 games last season we had 3 more pts than we have currently and had won 10 games to our current 7.

This season of course the football we have played is more progressive and supporters have been provided with far more entertainment than in recent seasons.There is positivity in the air!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 22 3.14pm
I doubt mine would go further than 50 cm or so. Red and Blue Army!
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ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 22 3.14pm

I doubt mine would go further than 50 cm or so.

Red and Blue Army!

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Painter Croydon 21 Mar 22 3.20pm
Originally posted by Willo In terms of the league table and results, after 29 games last season we had 3 more pts than we have currently and had won 10 games to our current 7. This season of course the football we have played is more progressive and supporters have been provided with far more entertainment than in recent seasons.There is positivity in the air! As balance, we had lost more games last season and had a far worse goal difference. The expectations will be higher next season, as everyone knew this was going to be a season of transition, which has gone better than most expected. Dougie has down a fantastic job on recruitment last summer, he now has his work cut out replacing Gallagher, who he struck gold with last year.
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Painter

Croydon 21 Mar 22 3.20pm

Originally posted by Willo

In terms of the league table and results, after 29 games last season we had 3 more pts than we have currently and had won 10 games to our current 7.

This season of course the football we have played is more progressive and supporters have been provided with far more entertainment than in recent seasons.There is positivity in the air!

As balance, we had lost more games last season and had a far worse goal difference.

The expectations will be higher next season, as everyone knew this was going to be a season of transition, which has gone better than most expected. Dougie has down a fantastic job on recruitment last summer, he now has his work cut out replacing Gallagher, who he struck gold with last year.

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 21 Mar 22 3.25pm
I think most people that watched last seasons games and this seasons would agree that we were very lucky last season probably 10 points more than we deserved and with this season the opposite applies. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 21 Mar 22 3.25pm

I think most people that watched last seasons games and this seasons would agree that we were very lucky last season probably 10 points more than we deserved and with this season the opposite applies.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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pssguy 21 Mar 22 3.34pm
Originally posted by Omph A major flaw in the current set up is the inability to see games out. I'm struggling to remember any matches we've won against the run of play and can recall all too many winning draws I looked at the data a couple of weeks ago. I think we have actually scored more than conceded from the 80th minute on but none of the goals have garnered us a point - remember we haven't won a league game by a single goal all season. late goal by opposition teams - hullo Brighton - have cost us dear, however.
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pssguy

21 Mar 22 3.34pm

Originally posted by Omph

A major flaw in the current set up is the inability to see games out. I'm struggling to remember any matches we've won against the run of play and can recall all too many winning draws

I looked at the data a couple of weeks ago. I think we have actually scored more than conceded from the 80th minute on but none of the goals have garnered us a point - remember we haven't won a league game by a single goal all season. late goal by opposition teams - hullo Brighton - have cost us dear, however.

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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 21 Mar 22 5.17pm
Originally posted by Painter As balance, we had lost more games last season and had a far worse goal difference. The expectations will be higher next season, as everyone knew this was going to be a season of transition, which has gone better than most expected. Dougie has down a fantastic job on recruitment last summer, he now has his work cut out replacing Gallagher, who he struck gold with last year. Spot on Painter. I think we are a far more attractive proposition for the best young players (and supporters for that matter) as a result of the progress being made in so many aspects of the club. Everyone can see the improvement in Gallagher, Olise, Mitchell, Guehe, Andersen, Eze and Mateta as a result of the opportunity we’ve given them (we’ll supported by the brilliant holistic and nurturing environment and coaching they’ve been getting). I’m sure more promising gems will look to us as a great place to come. And don’t forget the fantastic academy too! We may even end up with a new main stand over the next couple of years as well. (okay I might be getting carried away a bit there)! One thing is for sure though- It really is a great time to be a Palace fan and I honestly believe the best is yet to come. It’s very exciting!
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Elphers40

Sunny South Coast 21 Mar 22 5.17pm

Originally posted by Painter

As balance, we had lost more games last season and had a far worse goal difference.

Spot on Painter.

I think we are a far more attractive proposition for the best young players (and supporters for that matter) as a result of the progress being made in so many aspects of the club.
Everyone can see the improvement in Gallagher, Olise, Mitchell, Guehe, Andersen, Eze and Mateta as a result of the opportunity we’ve given them (we’ll supported by the brilliant holistic and nurturing environment and coaching they’ve been getting). I’m sure more promising gems will look to us as a great place to come.

And don’t forget the fantastic academy too! We may even end up with a new main stand over the next couple of years as well. (okay I might be getting carried away a bit there)!

One thing is for sure though- It really is a great time to be a Palace fan and I honestly believe the best is yet to come. It’s very exciting!

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ambrose7 Croydon 21 Mar 22 5.47pm
Originally posted by pssguy I looked at the data a couple of weeks ago. I think we have actually scored more than conceded from the 80th minute on but none of the goals have garnered us a point - remember we haven't won a league game by a single goal all season. late goal by opposition teams - hullo Brighton - have cost us dear, however. Interesting stat that. We definitely could tighten up at the back late on to convert more draws to wins, but we did also concede the 3rd most goals in the league last year. This year we've shown a bit more confidence in going after the 2nd goal which has sometimes allowed us to get a 3rd and a 4th as teams try to pick us off - Watford, Spurs, Everton, Norwich have all taken a bit of a pounding off us. We picked up a bit of a habit of letting in one - we've conceded about half as many goals but our rate of clean sheets is only 28% vs 21% last year. That maturity looks like it's built up a bit in recent weeks (Wolves, Brentford, Everton, City-ish). Keep that maturity up and we'll turn those 1-1s to 1-0s. We look more dangerous every week too as the young lot up front get used to the league. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.
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ambrose7

Croydon 21 Mar 22 5.47pm

Originally posted by pssguy

I looked at the data a couple of weeks ago. I think we have actually scored more than conceded from the 80th minute on but none of the goals have garnered us a point - remember we haven't won a league game by a single goal all season. late goal by opposition teams - hullo Brighton - have cost us dear, however.

Interesting stat that. We definitely could tighten up at the back late on to convert more draws to wins, but we did also concede the 3rd most goals in the league last year. This year we've shown a bit more confidence in going after the 2nd goal which has sometimes allowed us to get a 3rd and a 4th as teams try to pick us off - Watford, Spurs, Everton, Norwich have all taken a bit of a pounding off us.

We picked up a bit of a habit of letting in one - we've conceded about half as many goals but our rate of clean sheets is only 28% vs 21% last year. That maturity looks like it's built up a bit in recent weeks (Wolves, Brentford, Everton, City-ish). Keep that maturity up and we'll turn those 1-1s to 1-0s. We look more dangerous every week too as the young lot up front get used to the league.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
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Omph Liverpool 21 Mar 22 6.50pm
Originally posted by pssguy I looked at the data a couple of weeks ago. I think we have actually scored more than conceded from the 80th minute on but none of the goals have garnered us a point - remember we haven't won a league game by a single goal all season. late goal by opposition teams - hullo Brighton - have cost us dear, however. Really interesting stat that. My take is that game management has been iffy most season in close matches. This is a factor of the team that lacks experience but PV also needs to take a fair share of the responsibility here. He too is pretty callow in management and how the team copes in tight situations is definitely part of his role and I'm not sure he's there yet.
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Omph

Liverpool 21 Mar 22 6.50pm

Originally posted by pssguy

Really interesting stat that.

My take is that game management has been iffy most season in close matches. This is a factor of the team that lacks experience but PV also needs to take a fair share of the responsibility here. He too is pretty callow in management and how the team copes in tight situations is definitely part of his role and I'm not sure he's there yet.

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