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BlueJay UK 15 Mar 22 6.42pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
As a veteran myself, and for the many veterans on here, it is clear that veterans have a very high risk of not getting on well in their lives. It's a shame and perhaps not fully understood. I guess veterans are often young when they join, probably not from privileged backgrounds, are then institutionalised and then find "normal" life hard to handle. This was exacerbated by the drinking and fighting ethos of the armed forces (in my time anyway). What I will say is the modern recruit is not the same. They are not the ready to fight drinkers that we were - and it's probably the right way to be. I know there are plenty on here who understand what I'm talking about. Is there any meaningful support system to speak of after, or is it mostly a 'get on with it'? I guess throughout service you're in that kind of pushing concerns to the back of your mind mode anyway though, so asking for help just may not be the done thing or something that is all that effective once a person is reprogrammed for a time, then told to forgot all of that and get back to 'normal'. Any new reality, especially one with fight or flight, or traumatic aspects to it, must be a path that is incredibly difficult if not impossible to entirely walk down. Becomes more about trying to find a way forward I suppose? If you could rewind life would you do it all again? Or if that's a tricky question, maybe a better one is would be recommend it for those you served with, or was it a real mixed bag in terms of how prepared and suited they were for army life?
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Stirlingsays 15 Mar 22 6.56pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
As a veteran myself, and for the many veterans on here, it is clear that veterans have a very high risk of not getting on well in their lives. It's a shame and perhaps not fully understood. I guess veterans are often young when they join, probably not from privileged backgrounds, are then institutionalised and then find "normal" life hard to handle. This was exacerbated by the drinking and fighting ethos of the armed forces (in my time anyway). What I will say is the modern recruit is not the same. They are not the ready to fight drinkers that we were - and it's probably the right way to be. I know there are plenty on here who understand what I'm talking about. It is....nothing wrong with a certain amount of pride. You just need the right outlet. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2022 6.57pm)
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Mar 22 7.16pm | |
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Jim Davidson is either very brave or very foolhardy... for a) supporting the Clowns b) confronting the shrill screaming Harpies of the Left
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the.universal 15 Mar 22 7.31pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Is there any meaningful support system to speak of after, or is it mostly a 'get on with it'? I guess throughout service you're in that kind of pushing concerns to the back of your mind mode anyway though, so asking for help just may not be the done thing or something that is all that effective once a person is reprogrammed for a time, then told to forgot all of that and get back to 'normal'. Any new reality, especially one with fight or flight, or traumatic aspects to it, must be a path that is incredibly difficult if not impossible to entirely walk down. Becomes more about trying to find a way forward I suppose? If you could rewind life would you do it all again? Or if that's a tricky question, maybe a better one is would be recommend it for those you served with, or was it a real mixed bag in terms of how prepared and suited they were for army life?
Good questions, I知 interested to hear the answers too.
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BlueJay UK 15 Mar 22 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
Good questions, I知 interested to hear the answers too. Yes, there's never any harm in learning more; asking rather than assuming. When someone shows the hand that is their life, it takes little to show that the respect it deserves. And as a wider point, there's definitely not enough support for veterans, that's one thing I think we can all agree on. Edited by BlueJay (16 Mar 2022 12.04am)
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the.universal 15 Mar 22 8.16pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, there's never any harm in learning more; asking rather than assuming. And as a wider point, there's definitely not enough support for veterans, that's one thing I think we can all agree on. Yes, I think most people would agree. While I知 not a fan of the way Jim Davison conducts his personal life, I do appreciate he has raised it as an issue.
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BlueJay UK 16 Mar 22 1.35am | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
, as a young(ish ) man from SE London who enjoys his comedy, Give this podcast a whirl.. [Link] threads the needle and points out everyones foolishness,failings and the absurdity of it all! Edited by BlueJay (16 Mar 2022 2.52am)
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Beastie 16 Mar 22 8.01am | |
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Anyway, how come ex-servicemen are vets now?
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becky over the moon 16 Mar 22 8.02am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
Yes, I think most people would agree. While I知 not a fan of the way Jim Davison conducts his personal life, I do appreciate he has raised it as an issue. He has been involved with the Armed Forces for a many, many years, firstly with visits and shows to units on tour (he organised a lot of them too), then he founded the charity Care After Combat, of which he was CEO for many years. Now he is Chairman of The British Forces Foundation Charity, and got his OBE in 2001 for his services to charity. Perhaps a bit more to him than just a politically incorrect-veering to blue- comedian and a manky Charlton supporter.
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georgenorman 16 Mar 22 8.26am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
A cnut of the first order. Don't be so hard on yourself Universal.
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Stirlingsays 16 Mar 22 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
Yes, I think most people would agree. While I知 not a fan of the way Jim Davison conducts his personal life, I do appreciate he has raised it as an issue.
Gets a lot of abuse but he's done a lot of good all the way through his career.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Mar 22 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
As a veteran myself, and for the many veterans on here, it is clear that veterans have a very high risk of not getting on well in their lives. It's a shame and perhaps not fully understood. I guess veterans are often young when they join, probably not from privileged backgrounds, are then institutionalised and then find "normal" life hard to handle. This was exacerbated by the drinking and fighting ethos of the armed forces (in my time anyway). What I will say is the modern recruit is not the same. They are not the ready to fight drinkers that we were - and it's probably the right way to be. I know there are plenty on here who understand what I'm talking about. Blimey AS, that's just transported me back 46 years to when I 1st joined up, I'm ex RN & we had exactly the same culture tho most of our rucks were either against the army, other Ships or the 'Bootnecks'(Marines). I can't remember, ever, being helped to get back to whatever normal was. When I returned from the South Atlantic in '82, after being discharged from hospital & service it was Jim Davidson's charity Care After Combat who gave me a bit of support, but others were far more in need of their services.
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