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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 06 Mar 22 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

First time I have changed anything to do with my profile in 18 years........well worth it!

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 07 Mar 22 12.28am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

This is what's wrong with society. Pointless virtue signalling. If you were really interested in Ukraine's plight, you would liquidise your assets and send them directly to assist in their struggles.

But instead, wave a flag. What a useless world we live in. It's no wonder Putin took it that there would be no fightback from the west.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 07 Mar 22 1.26am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

This is what's wrong with society. Pointless virtue signalling. If you were really interested in Ukraine's plight, you would liquidise your assets and send them directly to assist in their struggles.

But instead, wave a flag. What a useless world we live in. It's no wonder Putin took it that there would be no fightback from the west.

Highlighting specific instances of attacks of civilians is a worthy course of action, in a place where from some have outright denied that such things have even taken place. Those who changed their flag to Russias btw (which nobody took issue with, unlike now). A growing component of modern warfare is the flow of factual information, and its suppression in order to influence public opinion. It forms a not insignificant part of Russia's approach to this war. So facts matter, opinions matter, protest matters, and they can act together to influence wider actions from our governments (such as sanctions etc).

While there are certainly 'Hollywood' style acts of genuine 'Virtual Signalling', ultimately it's a term (mis)used so very frequently now that basically any act of care, support or opinion towards anything is jumped on as 'virtual signalling'. I personally made a donation (admittedly all I could afford) that I hope makes its way to do at least some good, but not everyone can, and people can only sell up their assets once so the idea that they don't care unless they go all in, and that small shows of support are invalid, is clearly not a reasonable one.

Virtue signal implies looking for approval or praise in relation to something you either don't believe or don't genuinely care about. You don't really get to decide if people care about something based on popping here and setting an arbitrary criteria for them. Indeed, you're the one grandstanding and sweepingly dressing down on a subject that you don't seem to care about. So what is that if not 'signalling' from an ill informed, self appointed perspective.

You appear to imply that you've personally done nothing (unless you've adhered to the arbitrary bar you've set and 'sold up'), but also that Putin takes doing nothing as a green light to wage war against the west. As such, maybe you'd like to inform us of what you now plan to do to help the Ukrainian people? Don't be shy about sharing your noble intentions with us. We are eager to learn from you.

Edited by BlueJay (07 Mar 2022 1.31am)

 

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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 07 Mar 22 6.02am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

This is what's wrong with society. Pointless virtue signalling. If you were really interested in Ukraine's plight, you would liquidise your assets and send them directly to assist in their struggles.

But instead, wave a flag. What a useless world we live in. It's no wonder Putin took it that there would be no fightback from the west.

There's nothing wrong with displaying the Ukraine flag to show support, but TGS does touch on a nerve here. I'm no great fan of David Starkey, but he has pointed out that only 20% of the world lives under a democracy, yet in the West we expect the other 80% to ' behave decently' like us. But they don't and only respect might. Sad, but true.

 

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Croydon-Trucker Flag 07 Mar 22 8.17am Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

This is what's wrong with society. Pointless virtue signalling. If you were really interested in Ukraine's plight, you would liquidise your assets and send them directly to assist in their struggles.

But instead, wave a flag. What a useless world we live in. It's no wonder Putin took it that there would be no fightback from the west.

Knob head . its a show of support .

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 07 Mar 22 8.46am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

If you were really interested in Ukraine's plight, you would liquidise your assets

That would need a very large liquidiser

 

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Croydon-Trucker Flag 07 Mar 22 10.40am Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That would need a very large liquidiser

Show off .

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Mar 22 10.43am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Knob head . its a show of support .

Said every virtue signaller ever.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Mar 22 11.04am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

It's difficult for the public to do much in a practical sense.

Probably the best they can do, apart from donating money, is to point out to the rest of us companies and individuals that are dealing with the Russian government in the hope that we boycott them.

Edited by Badger11 (07 Mar 2022 11.05am)

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Mar 22 11.39am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Said every virtue signaller ever.

I'd say it probably is virtue signalling, however, I'm still doing it. Of course, I don't mind if others do it or not. It's up to them.
I'd also agree that it's largely irrelevant, not even fully sure why it resonates with me. I think it reminds me of when my mum was an evacuee as a child and the rubble where my grandad's neighbour's houses used to be during the blitz. All dead now, of course.

 


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taylors lovechild Flag 07 Mar 22 11.40am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

We do live in this bizarre world in which some people complain about what others perceive to be trivial things and then other people get upset about those people and complain and then we end up with some human centipede of the left, the right, the libertarians, the socialists, etc, etc. all eating each other's sh!t. We're all contradictory b@stards, but then if we weren't we'd all be pretty dull. Getting upset about virtue signalling on a football forum seems about as futile as changing your little flag. Anyway, I've donated goods and money to Ukraine. I expect to receive my virtue flag in the post shortly, but for now I'll claim my little flag on this here forum!

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 08 Mar 22 12.30am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Highlighting specific instances of attacks of civilians is a worthy course of action, in a place where from some have outright denied that such things have even taken place. Those who changed their flag to Russias btw (which nobody took issue with, unlike now). A growing component of modern warfare is the flow of factual information, and its suppression in order to influence public opinion. It forms a not insignificant part of Russia's approach to this war. So facts matter, opinions matter, protest matters, and they can act together to influence wider actions from our governments (such as sanctions etc).

While there are certainly 'Hollywood' style acts of genuine 'Virtual Signalling', ultimately it's a term (mis)used so very frequently now that basically any act of care, support or opinion towards anything is jumped on as 'virtual signalling'. I personally made a donation (admittedly all I could afford) that I hope makes its way to do at least some good, but not everyone can, and people can only sell up their assets once so the idea that they don't care unless they go all in, and that small shows of support are invalid, is clearly not a reasonable one.

Virtue signal implies looking for approval or praise in relation to something you either don't believe or don't genuinely care about. You don't really get to decide if people care about something based on popping here and setting an arbitrary criteria for them. Indeed, you're the one grandstanding and sweepingly dressing down on a subject that you don't seem to care about. So what is that if not 'signalling' from an ill informed, self appointed perspective.

You appear to imply that you've personally done nothing (unless you've adhered to the arbitrary bar you've set and 'sold up'), but also that Putin takes doing nothing as a green light to wage war against the west. As such, maybe you'd like to inform us of what you now plan to do to help the Ukrainian people? Don't be shy about sharing your noble intentions with us. We are eager to learn from you.

Edited by BlueJay (07 Mar 2022 1.31am)

Trot down from the lofty mount of your superior moral high ground and dismount your high horse. A flag displayed on a post, on a football fan website of around 100 such sites in one country, out of more than 200 other footballing countries, is hardly going to put any pressure on anyone. Let alone a president of a country. If you want to wave a Ukraine flag, and you feel the need to help, go there. Otherwise, it is virtue signalling, ie looking like you care without putting youself to any discomfort.

ps I'm sceptical of your claim

 


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