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 Badger11  Beckenham 13 Feb 22 3.00pm |
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In the case of Labour they don't have to ditch the policies they just need to ditch the man (Corbyn). He is now toxic to the voters so they need to get rid. I expect the replacement candidate will probably be just as left wing as he is. In a way it's what John Smith and Tony Blair did, they kicked out the most high profile hard left that the voters disliked but soft peddled the same policies. So change the faces not the policies. The hard left openly talked about massive spending scaring the voters. Gordon Brown always used words like "prudent" in his budget speech and gave the impression he was the canny Scots banker counting the pennies but in reality he was an old tax and spend Chancellor. The hard left believe in open borders again scaring the voters Blair didn't even bother to talk about it he just did it.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Feb 22 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In the case of Labour they don't have to ditch the policies they just need to ditch the man (Corbyn). He is now toxic to the voters so they need to get rid. I expect the replacement candidate will probably be just as left wing as he is. In a way it's what John Smith and Tony Blair did, they kicked out the most high profile hard left that the voters disliked but soft peddled the same policies. So change the faces not the policies. The hard left openly talked about massive spending scaring the voters. Gordon Brown always used words like "prudent" in his budget speech and gave the impression he was the canny Scots banker counting the pennies but in reality he was an old tax and spend Chancellor. The hard left believe in open borders again scaring the voters Blair didn't even bother to talk about it he just did it. Very true. Lying to the masses.....the manipulation and distortion of language...very soviet.....in the old days you could rely on the fourth estate to call out BS.....but today the fourth estate has been increasingly bought out by the corporates....especially social.....and the rest of it comes from the universities, who have been fully indoctrinated since the seventies.
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| Matov 13 Feb 22 5.36pm |
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I must confess that I struggle with the logic of it. No matter what people might think of Corbyn and the people who support him, the reality is that when it comes to grind of electioneering, they are far more likely to be out on the streets doing all the knocking on doors and handing out leaflets and so on. Plus the funds from the unions and the monthly membership subscriptions that would leave, especially given Labours perilous financial situation as things stand. No. This stinks. I wonder, and this is pure speculation, if this is the opening move in the creation of a 'Progressive Alliance'? That by effectively disowning Corbyn fully, and driving out his supporters, then it leaves a core-Labour, fully centrist,movement that could effectively join up with the Lib-Dems and perhaps elements of the Greens? With Blair giving it his blessing and able to bring a s*** load of funding to the party via his contacts?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Feb 22 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In the case of Labour they don't have to ditch the policies they just need to ditch the man (Corbyn). He is now toxic to the voters so they need to get rid. I expect the replacement candidate will probably be just as left wing as he is. In a way it's what John Smith and Tony Blair did, they kicked out the most high profile hard left that the voters disliked but soft peddled the same policies. So change the faces not the policies. The hard left openly talked about massive spending scaring the voters. Gordon Brown always used words like "prudent" in his budget speech and gave the impression he was the canny Scots banker counting the pennies but in reality he was an old tax and spend Chancellor. The hard left believe in open borders again scaring the voters Blair didn't even bother to talk about it he just did it. This view from the right, that the centre is still to the left, is ultimately what will lead people to abandon their flirtation with them. Smith, Blair and now Starmer all had, and still have, a much better appreciation of the need to run a balanced budget than even some Tories do. That they also want social justice is to their credit as decent people. Most of us are decent people, and we want decent people to represent us. No-one at all, not even the hardest of the left, believes in open borders, and never did. Controlled, targeted immigration has always been the intention, although sometimes events overtook the good intentions. It's this kind of slur that drove the lemmings over the Brexit cliff. Those that survive the experience won't make that mistake again. Many of these people are not blue rinse home county Tory If the Tories decide not to, and Labour gets it right, more change is on the horizon.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Feb 22 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I must confess that I struggle with the logic of it. No matter what people might think of Corbyn and the people who support him, the reality is that when it comes to grind of electioneering, they are far more likely to be out on the streets doing all the knocking on doors and handing out leaflets and so on. Plus the funds from the unions and the monthly membership subscriptions that would leave, especially given Labours perilous financial situation as things stand. No. This stinks. I wonder, and this is pure speculation, if this is the opening move in the creation of a 'Progressive Alliance'? That by effectively disowning Corbyn fully, and driving out his supporters, then it leaves a core-Labour, fully centrist,movement that could effectively join up with the Lib-Dems and perhaps elements of the Greens? With Blair giving it his blessing and able to bring a s*** load of funding to the party via his contacts? That's new thinking and makes excellent sense. Thanks for the ideas. Even if they couldn't form a government on their own, a grand coalition with the Tories could be possible, with the condition that they dump the hard right and only include the progressives, of which there are many. If our economy falters as badly as it appears it is going to, then a government of national unity could be on the cards.
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Feb 22 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This view from the right, that the centre is still to the left, is ultimately what will lead people to abandon their flirtation with them. Smith, Blair and now Starmer all had, and still have, a much better appreciation of the need to run a balanced budget than even some Tories do. That they also want social justice is to their credit as decent people. Most of us are decent people, and we want decent people to represent us. No-one at all, not even the hardest of the left, believes in open borders, and never did. Controlled, targeted immigration has always been the intention, although sometimes events overtook the good intentions. It's this kind of slur that drove the lemmings over the Brexit cliff. Those that survive the experience won't make that mistake again. Many of these people are not blue rinse home county Tory If the Tories decide not to, and Labour gets it right, more change is on the horizon. Whats your definition of Social justice ?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Feb 22 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This view from the right, that the centre is still to the left, is ultimately what will lead people to abandon their flirtation with them. Smith, Blair and now Starmer all had, and still have, a much better appreciation of the need to run a balanced budget than even some Tories do. That they also want social justice is to their credit as decent people. Most of us are decent people, and we want decent people to represent us. No-one at all, not even the hardest of the left, believes in open borders, and never did. Controlled, targeted immigration has always been the intention, although sometimes events overtook the good intentions. It's this kind of slur that drove the lemmings over the Brexit cliff. Those that survive the experience won't make that mistake again. Many of these people are not blue rinse home county Tory If the Tories decide not to, and Labour gets it right, more change is on the horizon. I don't think so Blair and brown left the country with no money.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Feb 22 8.05pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Whats your definition of Social justice ? To give a full and considered answer would take more time than I have at the moment. Essentially ensuring opportunities and fairness for all.
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| cryrst The garden of England 13 Feb 22 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
To give a full and considered answer would take more time than I have at the moment. Essentially ensuring opportunities and fairness for all. So do you not think that's available now?
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| crystal-purley Purley 13 Feb 22 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't think so Blair and brown left the country with no money. The half trillion that Blair/Brown left behind has quadrupled in the last 10 years. Blame the Liberals though.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Feb 22 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't think so Blair and brown left the country with no money. Events always disturb the best of intentions, especially things like deep recessions caused by a banking crisis. I don't suppose the current mob intended to incur quite the level they have when they won in 2019! I mentioned an appreciation of the need to run a balanced budget, and that's true:-
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Feb 22 8.55pm |
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Jeremy Corbyn: 'UK wrong to be prepared to get involved in war in Ukraine'. Keir Starmer: 'Under my leadership, Labour’s commitment to Nato is unshakable'. It's also unquestioning and wrong, another UK warmonger - its fortunate we cannot actually do anything anymore.
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