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YT Oxford 05 Feb 22 8.11am
Originally posted by croydon proud And to be fair to Wilf-he"s not asking the working man not to ask for a pay rise, and doesn"t get paid by the taxpayer! It was a "big" pay rise, wasn't it (as per your OP)? No, to also be fair, I haven't heard Wilf's views on the subject, but maybe even he would recognize that a continuous inflationary spiral will do nobody any good, and he would accept that it's the Governor's job to point this out. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 05 Feb 22 8.11am

Originally posted by croydon proud

And to be fair to Wilf-he"s not asking the working man not to ask for a pay rise, and doesn"t get paid by the taxpayer!

It was a "big" pay rise, wasn't it (as per your OP)?

No, to also be fair, I haven't heard Wilf's views on the subject, but maybe even he would recognize that a continuous inflationary spiral will do nobody any good, and he would accept that it's the Governor's job to point this out.

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 22 10.28am
Another pointless thread. The issue here is that big pay rises lead to hyper inflation. Perhaps our socialist friend liked it when Jim Callaghan was handing out 12% pay rises to his union mates, just in case they went on strike. Were you alive then CP?
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Another pointless thread.

The issue here is that big pay rises lead to hyper inflation.

Perhaps our socialist friend liked it when Jim Callaghan was handing out 12% pay rises to his union mates, just in case they went on strike.

Were you alive then CP?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Feb 22 11.50am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Naive. Wilf is paid (mostly) by CPFC. CPFC are paid (mostly) by Sky. Sky is paid for almost exclusively by tax payers. Wilf produces nothing tangible to society. His contribution to society can only be measured in the excitement he brought/brings to a small fan base, his charity work, and his tax returns (which, no doubt, are manipulated with avoidance schemes). This is a bizarre take - by this definition, everything sold anywhere in the country is paid for 'almost exclusively by tax payers'. The point is, one is paid with money raised by taxation, the other is paid for (optionally) by consumers. Also, footballers produce plenty for society - it might not be 'tangible' in a world we judge people's worth on how much money their worth, or how many people they employ, but they make countless people's lives round the world more bearable through their work - that has to be worth something. The world would be a much worse place without entertainers and musicians and artists who produce 'nothing tangible'.
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Naive. Wilf is paid (mostly) by CPFC. CPFC are paid (mostly) by Sky. Sky is paid for almost exclusively by tax payers.

Wilf produces nothing tangible to society. His contribution to society can only be measured in the excitement he brought/brings to a small fan base, his charity work, and his tax returns (which, no doubt, are manipulated with avoidance schemes).

This is a bizarre take - by this definition, everything sold anywhere in the country is paid for 'almost exclusively by tax payers'.

The point is, one is paid with money raised by taxation, the other is paid for (optionally) by consumers.

Also, footballers produce plenty for society - it might not be 'tangible' in a world we judge people's worth on how much money their worth, or how many people they employ, but they make countless people's lives round the world more bearable through their work - that has to be worth something. The world would be a much worse place without entertainers and musicians and artists who produce 'nothing tangible'.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Feb 22 11.52am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Another pointless thread. The issue here is that big pay rises lead to hyper inflation. Perhaps our socialist friend liked it when Jim Callaghan was handing out 12% pay rises to his union mates, just in case they went on strike. Were you alive then CP? So what do you do when there is a huge cost of living crisis building? Expect everyone to just suck it up and get through it? Choose between your dinner or the heating? Growth in wages has been blown out the water by the increases in house prices/rent, bills, food, travel etc. over the last few decades - surely you recognise something has to give?
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SE19 05 Feb 22 11.52am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Another pointless thread.

The issue here is that big pay rises lead to hyper inflation.

Perhaps our socialist friend liked it when Jim Callaghan was handing out 12% pay rises to his union mates, just in case they went on strike.

Were you alive then CP?

So what do you do when there is a huge cost of living crisis building? Expect everyone to just suck it up and get through it? Choose between your dinner or the heating?

Growth in wages has been blown out the water by the increases in house prices/rent, bills, food, travel etc. over the last few decades - surely you recognise something has to give?

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 22 12.13pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So what do you do when there is a huge cost of living crisis building? Expect everyone to just suck it up and get through it? Choose between your dinner or the heating? Growth in wages has been blown out the water by the increases in house prices/rent, bills, food, travel etc. over the last few decades - surely you recognise something has to give? Sadly, big wage rises will only make things worse. We are heading into a global storm and the good times will be suspended for a while. Many will need to give up the fags, booze, takeaways and holidays to Ibiza and live a little more carefully for a while.
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Hrolf The Ganger

05 Feb 22 12.13pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So what do you do when there is a huge cost of living crisis building? Expect everyone to just suck it up and get through it? Choose between your dinner or the heating?

Growth in wages has been blown out the water by the increases in house prices/rent, bills, food, travel etc. over the last few decades - surely you recognise something has to give?

Sadly, big wage rises will only make things worse.

We are heading into a global storm and the good times will be suspended for a while.

Many will need to give up the fags, booze, takeaways and holidays to Ibiza and live a little more carefully for a while.

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Feb 22 12.26pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Its the fact that this guy is on six hundred and fifty thousand and is asking everyone else not to ask for more money that is the point- but i was expecting the usual suspects to not see the irony-but hey ho-we all have our opinion! And you are missing my point. If PV says he expects to beat Hartlepool would you be surprised? Of course not it's his job regardless of his salary. The job of the BOE governor is to keep a lid on the economy, of course he is going to urge pay restraint, I'm sure every BOE governor dating back decades has said this again regardless of salary. Are you surprised when union leaders demand higher wages? No because that is their job (I don't see you complaining about their big salaries). Anyway I doubt whether anyone will pay attention to his comments, union leaders won't and bosses will always pay as little as they can get away with. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Feb 22 12.26pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Its the fact that this guy is on six hundred and fifty thousand and is asking everyone else not to ask for more money that is the point- but i was expecting the usual suspects to not see the irony-but hey ho-we all have our opinion!

And you are missing my point.

If PV says he expects to beat Hartlepool would you be surprised? Of course not it's his job regardless of his salary.

The job of the BOE governor is to keep a lid on the economy, of course he is going to urge pay restraint, I'm sure every BOE governor dating back decades has said this again regardless of salary.

Are you surprised when union leaders demand higher wages? No because that is their job (I don't see you complaining about their big salaries).

Anyway I doubt whether anyone will pay attention to his comments, union leaders won't and bosses will always pay as little as they can get away with.

One more point

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Feb 22 12.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Sadly, big wage rises will only make things worse. We are heading into a global storm and the good times will be suspended for a while. Many will need to give up the fags, booze, takeaways and holidays to Ibiza and live a little more carefully for a while. So your solution is a load more people falling further into poverty, with a few lazy stereotypes to make you feel better. Great.
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SE19 05 Feb 22 12.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sadly, big wage rises will only make things worse.

We are heading into a global storm and the good times will be suspended for a while.

Many will need to give up the fags, booze, takeaways and holidays to Ibiza and live a little more carefully for a while.

So your solution is a load more people falling further into poverty, with a few lazy stereotypes to make you feel better. Great.

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Stirlingsays 05 Feb 22 1.25pm
I think the urging of pay restraint falls less easily upon those who didn't agree with the near 400 billion's worth of spending in the first place....a large amount of it for healthy people to work from home and pay businesses that they had effectively partially closed via their policies....and for many of them it killed the business never to return. But even more discordant is that if the elites are going to call for pay restraint for the poor and middle classes but it's obvious that they haven't done the same for themselves. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2022 1.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Feb 22 1.25pm

I think the urging of pay restraint falls less easily upon those who didn't agree with the near 400 billion's worth of spending in the first place....a large amount of it for healthy people to work from home and pay businesses that they had effectively partially closed via their policies....and for many of them it killed the business never to return.

But even more discordant is that if the elites are going to call for pay restraint for the poor and middle classes but it's obvious that they haven't done the same for themselves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2022 1.30pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 22 2.40pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So your solution is a load more people falling further into poverty, with a few lazy stereotypes to make you feel better. Great. Perhaps, but true nonetheless. Poverty in 2022 for 99.9% of people is hardly Dickensian. Aren't we supposed to be living in an Eden of globalism and mass immigration? Oh dear. Housing shortages, higher rents, suppressed wages? All the things you defend.
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05 Feb 22 2.40pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So your solution is a load more people falling further into poverty, with a few lazy stereotypes to make you feel better. Great.

Perhaps, but true nonetheless.

Poverty in 2022 for 99.9% of people is hardly Dickensian.

Aren't we supposed to be living in an Eden of globalism and mass immigration?

Oh dear. Housing shortages, higher rents, suppressed wages?

All the things you defend.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 05 Feb 22 3.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Another pointless thread. The issue here is that big pay rises lead to hyper inflation. Perhaps our socialist friend liked it when Jim Callaghan was handing out 12% pay rises to his union mates, just in case they went on strike. Were you alive then CP? As I told you before, I have a couple of years on you so anything you were around for, so was I.Thanks for replying to pointless threads-the irony!
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Any european country i fancy! 05 Feb 22 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Another pointless thread.

The issue here is that big pay rises lead to hyper inflation.

Perhaps our socialist friend liked it when Jim Callaghan was handing out 12% pay rises to his union mates, just in case they went on strike.

Were you alive then CP?

As I told you before, I have a couple of years on you so anything you were around for, so was I.Thanks for replying to pointless threads-the irony!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 05 Feb 22 3.51pm
Originally posted by Badger11 And you are missing my point. If PV says he expects to beat Hartlepool would you be surprised? Of course not it's his job regardless of his salary. The job of the BOE governor is to keep a lid on the economy, of course he is going to urge pay restraint, I'm sure every BOE governor dating back decades has said this again regardless of salary. Are you surprised when union leaders demand higher wages? No because that is their job (I don't see you complaining about their big salaries). Anyway I doubt whether anyone will pay attention to his comments, union leaders won't and bosses will always pay as little as they can get away with. It"s a case of do as i say-not as i do-if ever there was one!
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Any european country i fancy! 05 Feb 22 3.51pm

Originally posted by Badger11

And you are missing my point.

If PV says he expects to beat Hartlepool would you be surprised? Of course not it's his job regardless of his salary.

The job of the BOE governor is to keep a lid on the economy, of course he is going to urge pay restraint, I'm sure every BOE governor dating back decades has said this again regardless of salary.

Are you surprised when union leaders demand higher wages? No because that is their job (I don't see you complaining about their big salaries).

Anyway I doubt whether anyone will pay attention to his comments, union leaders won't and bosses will always pay as little as they can get away with.

It"s a case of do as i say-not as i do-if ever there was one!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 05 Feb 22 3.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think the urging of pay restraint falls less easily upon those who didn't agree with the near 400 billion's worth of spending in the first place....a large amount of it for healthy people to work from home and pay businesses that they had effectively partially closed via their policies....and for many of them it killed the business never to return. But even more discordant is that if the elites are going to call for pay restraint for the poor and middle classes but it's obvious that they haven't done the same for themselves. That last paragraph was spot on Stirling-spot on! Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2022 1.30pm)
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Any european country i fancy! 05 Feb 22 3.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

But even more discordant is that if the elites are going to call for pay restraint for the poor and middle classes but it's obvious that they haven't done the same for themselves.

That last paragraph was spot on Stirling-spot on!

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2022 1.30pm)

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