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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jan 22 10.38am | |
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Defections are rare I think, Churchills defection to the liberals the most notable one. The alternative is to remain the 'lobby fodder' that MPs are. nodding through things they don't agree with often fundamentally, for fear of 'punishment'.
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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jan 22 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Defections are rare I think, Churchills defection to the liberals the most notable one. The alternative is to remain the 'lobby fodder' that MPs are. nodding through things they don't agree with often fundamentally, for fear of 'punishment'. Then stand as an independent candidate? These MPS want the protection and largeness of being a party man well there is a price to pay. Talk today of the Tory party bullying some of their MPs. this is nothing new the job of the whips is to keep their MPs in line. This maybe an offer of promotion or a threat. One MP who has been causing trouble says they were told they wouldn't get funding at the next election, boo hoo. You can't have it both ways if you want the party to support you you have to support the party otherwise quit and go elsewhere. Lots of Corbyn supporters on here blame senior Labour party people for undermining him and deliberating wrecking his chances, they have a point not very loyal.
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Maine Eagle USA 21 Jan 22 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
What I don't get is why defect when you can just resign the whip and be independent? He may have been offered a deal by Starmer, or he has walked that road to Damascus. Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn caused lifelong labour voters to jump ship en masse. Brexit is over and Corbyn is history, add in some good old fashioned Tory Sleaze and a lack of successors to BJ, and you see a massive return to labour in places like Bury. Why be independent and then lose the next election to labour.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jan 22 7.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn caused lifelong labour voters to jump ship en masse. Brexit is over and Corbyn is history, add in some good old fashioned Tory Sleaze and a lack of successors to BJ, and you see a massive return to labour in places like Bury. Why be independent and then lose the next election to labour. I think there's quite a lot of truth in that. Add in voters just being bored of Tories now, plus having seen no improvement. Starmer is the actual issue. Difficult to vote for, a bit like buying that magnolia paint because it was only a tenner and in a big tin. It still looks sh1t and is, indeed, sh1t.
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Mapletree Croydon 21 Jan 22 11.38pm | |
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Got to feel sorry for Lucy Burke assuming Wakeford gets to stand in the next election. Candidate/Party Votes Share Change
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jan 22 11.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Got to feel sorry for Lucy Burke assuming Wakeford gets to stand in the next election. Candidate/Party Votes Share Change I listened to the local Labour Party Chairman on hearing of the defection. He was less than impressed and called for a bye election. So I think it's far from certain Mr Wakeford will be the candidate.
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Mapletree Croydon 22 Jan 22 12.10am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I listened to the local Labour Party Chairman on hearing of the defection. He was less than impressed and called for a bye election. So I think it's far from certain Mr Wakeford will be the candidate. So he’d have to go through an election first to be selected by the party? In his case that probably would be a bye election before the by-election.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Jan 22 1.42am | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn caused lifelong labour voters to jump ship en masse. Brexit is over and Corbyn is history, add in some good old fashioned Tory Sleaze and a lack of successors to BJ, and you see a massive return to labour in places like Bury. Why be independent and then lose the next election to labour. Because the local Labour party are very unlikely to choose him as candidate in the next general election. His next election will be a bye bye election Edited by HKOwen (22 Jan 2022 1.43am)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Jan 22 1.44am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I think there's quite a lot of truth in that. Add in voters just being bored of Tories now, plus having seen no improvement. Starmer is the actual issue. Difficult to vote for, a bit like buying that magnolia paint because it was only a tenner and in a big tin. It still looks sh1t and is, indeed, sh1t. I like the paint analogy, good job
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Maine Eagle USA 22 Jan 22 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Because the local Labour party are very unlikely to choose him as candidate in the next general election. His next election will be a bye bye election Edited by HKOwen (22 Jan 2022 1.43am) You are possibly correct regarding the local Labour Party but do you really think that Keir Starmer himself will endorse sending a message to potential defectors that you won’t even be backed in the next general? No chance. He will be running for labour in that seat.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 3.20pm | |
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Do the Labour Party really want to endorse a candidate/MP who could just as easily switch back to the Tories. He's a loose canon, but that is down to what the Party executive decide.
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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 22 3.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
You are possibly correct regarding the local Labour Party but do you really think that Keir Starmer himself will endorse sending a message to potential defectors that you won’t even be backed in the next general? No chance. He will be running for labour in that seat. I think that is a good point. Too often the party the defecting MP ends up with doesn't think it through but grabs them and makes a big fuss. they forget that at grass roots level their own supporters have been fighting the good fight to beat that MP and now they have to embrace him? I would have had more respect for Starmer if he had told the guy you're not wanted you don't share our values and we will displace you at the next election. The defector would then have to either stand as an independent or go crawling to yet another party.
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