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cryrst The garden of England 21 Jan 22 5.25am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Developer Ballymore withdrew the application following a last-minute intervention by the London Fire Brigade. "We do have concerns that the design submitted does not provide suitable and convenient means of escape and associated evacuation strategy for all building users," the fire service said in a statement on its website published yesterday. "In buildings with a single escape route, we would expect the developer to have their own fire engineers provide a full review to show the resilience in the event of a fire and this does not appear to have been carried out." Which is fine but it doesn't alter that stay put is part of a lot of new regulations. The footprint of a building will still determine how many staircases it needs. I beleive there is a maximum distance a front door can be from a staircase. This would determine if more than one are needed.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 22 6.18am | |
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The Government has now ordered the firms responsible for cladding, to replace them. To put things in perspective: The building owners (Local Authorities) requested quotes for cladding. Suppliers provided quotations based on the specifications provided to them. It was the Local Authorities who chose the successful quotation. The Building Inspectors (employed by Local authorities) said the building Cladding met specification. You might be able to guess where I think any blame lies
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The Dolphin 21 Jan 22 7.50am | |
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However - Building Control pass product use based on those products being fit for purpose by way of at the very least an Agrement Certificate but hopefully a kitemark.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 22 8.15am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
However - Building Control pass product use based on those products being fit for purpose by way of at the very least an Agrement Certificate but hopefully a kitemark. I agree to an extent. Tendering for contracts is very competitive and quotes are finely-tuned. Ultimately the LA's chose the winning bid. The quotations would have contained all the relevant specifications (I would trust) for materials and works. Agreed culpability is widely spread. Not so, the costs of putting it right Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Jan 2022 8.17am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jan 22 9.04am | |
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As others have said madness. Common sense tells you that if a fire starts near the staircase you can't get to it then what is your escape route? It is all well and good saying that there are fire doors* and other protection systems but what if they fail?
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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Jan 22 1.58pm | |
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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford |
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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jan 22 3.33pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Can you clarify? The inquiry is still going on so we have to wait for that conclusion. Compensation has been paid and no doubt there will be more to come depending on the outcome of the inquiry and liability. Outside of Grenfall many of the other death trap tower blocks were built in Labour run boroughs so it's not just the Tories although as the current government they have to take responsibility.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 22 4.04pm | |
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Before the clamour to build a new tower, the Inquiry findings need to be published. I don't see the hurry in building something with , potentially, the same or similar, or worse, defects.
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cryrst The garden of England 22 Jan 22 5.40am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Before the clamour to build a new tower, the Inquiry findings need to be published. I don't see the hurry in building something with , potentially, the same or similar, or worse, defects.
I doubt any would be worse. Fire proofed, sprinklers and regular testing of fire evacuations should be mandatory but private residents will be under no obligation to conform to the last bit.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 6.20am | |
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As a slight aside, I saw an interview with a lady in the last few days. She was being interviewed at her 10th ? floor home in a tower clock that had its cladding removed. And she was a medically-retired former NHS nurse
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dreamwaverider London 22 Jan 22 8.19am | |
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We have surely got to consider alternatives to cheap build high rise. Edited by dreamwaverider (22 Jan 2022 8.20am)
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dreamwaverider London 22 Jan 22 8.22am | |
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Kensington is rammed with £3-30 million plus properties all paying a pittance propert tax each year. Why?
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