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sprites Auckland 16 Dec 21 12.28am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Terms like non-gendered and non-binary are false science and while I have no issues with people describing themselves like that it should never be allowed to encroach into any institutional provision or service nor should any individual be pressured into accepting that language. However, it is heavily funded and pushed by powerful lobbies and elites. Feelings over rationality are a reality of our times and, in my view, a deliberate downgrade on the value of societal truth and traditional family identities and roles. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 12.27am) Word.
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Auckland 16 Dec 21 12.28am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Terms like non-gendered and non-binary are false science and while I have no issues with people describing themselves like that it should never be allowed to encroach into any institutional provision or service nor should any individual be pressured into accepting that language.

However, it is heavily funded and pushed by powerful lobbies and elites.

Feelings over rationality are a reality of our times and, in my view, a deliberate downgrade on the value of societal truth and traditional family identities and roles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 12.27am)

Word.

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Matov 16 Dec 21 3.59am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Terms like non-gendered and non-binary are false science and while I have no issues with people describing themselves like that it should never be allowed to encroach into any institutional provision or service nor should any individual be pressured into accepting that language. However, it is heavily funded and pushed by powerful lobbies and elites. Feelings over rationality are a reality of our times and, in my view, a deliberate downgrade on the value of societal truth and traditional family identities and roles. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 12.27am) SUperbly put. But to what end? It is always the 'why' that fascinates me. Why would anybody want to de-stabilize our civilization? The wars, the economic insanity of promoting asset value over that of hard work, the undermining of language, to what end is this all being driven? Who actually benefits from a less stable society? I used to believe the insane foreign policy was driven by Israel by way of trying to effect large-scale migration of the Palestinian population to the West, and I am still convinced it is a major driver but this Gender stuff? Not sure where that fits in at all. It is like we are being provoked into an inevitable backlash and one that will be probably the strongest of all from the most socially, and non-European heritage, conservative elements of our modern multi-cultural society. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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16 Dec 21 3.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

However, it is heavily funded and pushed by powerful lobbies and elites.

Feelings over rationality are a reality of our times and, in my view, a deliberate downgrade on the value of societal truth and traditional family identities and roles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 12.27am)

SUperbly put.

But to what end? It is always the 'why' that fascinates me. Why would anybody want to de-stabilize our civilization?

The wars, the economic insanity of promoting asset value over that of hard work, the undermining of language, to what end is this all being driven?

Who actually benefits from a less stable society? I used to believe the insane foreign policy was driven by Israel by way of trying to effect large-scale migration of the Palestinian population to the West, and I am still convinced it is a major driver but this Gender stuff?

Not sure where that fits in at all. It is like we are being provoked into an inevitable backlash and one that will be probably the strongest of all from the most socially, and non-European heritage, conservative elements of our modern multi-cultural society.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 4.09am
Originally posted by Matov SUperbly put. But to what end? It is always the 'why' that fascinates me. Why would anybody want to de-stabilize our civilization? The wars, the economic insanity of promoting asset value over that of hard work, the undermining of language, to what end is this all being driven? Who actually benefits from a less stable society? I used to believe the insane foreign policy was driven by Israel by way of trying to effect large-scale migration of the Palestinian population to the West, and I am still convinced it is a major driver but this Gender stuff? Not sure where that fits in at all. It is like we are being provoked into an inevitable backlash and one that will be probably the strongest of all from the most socially, and non-European heritage, conservative elements of our modern multi-cultural society. From what I've read it's a subset of transhumanism, which is essentially an ideology which seeks to subvert and change nature in all its forms in pursuit of 'advancing' humanity. It's a hell of a headfeck when you look into it. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 4.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Dec 21 4.09am

Originally posted by Matov

SUperbly put.

But to what end? It is always the 'why' that fascinates me. Why would anybody want to de-stabilize our civilization?

The wars, the economic insanity of promoting asset value over that of hard work, the undermining of language, to what end is this all being driven?

From what I've read it's a subset of transhumanism, which is essentially an ideology which seeks to subvert and change nature in all its forms in pursuit of 'advancing' humanity.

It's a hell of a headfeck when you look into it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 4.10am)

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 4.22am
Originally posted by Matov SUperbly put. But to what end? It is always the 'why' that fascinates me. Why would anybody want to de-stabilize our civilization? The wars, the economic insanity of promoting asset value over that of hard work, the undermining of language, to what end is this all being driven? Who actually benefits from a less stable society? I used to believe the insane foreign policy was driven by Israel by way of trying to effect large-scale migration of the Palestinian population to the West, and I am still convinced it is a major driver but this Gender stuff? Not sure where that fits in at all. It is like we are being provoked into an inevitable backlash and one that will be probably the strongest of all from the most socially, and non-European heritage, conservative elements of our modern multi-cultural society. That requires a split in the elites, which within the globalist system firstly requires a significant breakdown beyond the 2008 version. My personal view is that the English are gone, though many are in denial over it. I think the future for our descendants will be pan Europeanism....amid a lot of recrimination. I'd like to be wrong of course 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Dec 21 4.22am

Originally posted by Matov

SUperbly put.

But to what end? It is always the 'why' that fascinates me. Why would anybody want to de-stabilize our civilization?

The wars, the economic insanity of promoting asset value over that of hard work, the undermining of language, to what end is this all being driven?

That requires a split in the elites, which within the globalist system firstly requires a significant breakdown beyond the 2008 version.

My personal view is that the English are gone, though many are in denial over it. I think the future for our descendants will be pan Europeanism....amid a lot of recrimination. I'd like to be wrong of course

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 16 Dec 21 8.22am
What was the original official justification behind all this? At most a few, very few, people might be offended at being wrongly addressed. As Steve Hughes, Australian comedian who’s well worth a look, put it in another context… “I’m offended” “So? You’re offended. Get over it. No one died” I know someone who’s transitioning, female to male, it must be very difficult for all concerned and we can only wish anyone in the same situation well but how did this become such an important issue?
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Teddy Eagle

16 Dec 21 8.22am

What was the original official justification behind all this? At most a few, very few, people might be offended at being wrongly addressed. As Steve Hughes, Australian comedian who’s well worth a look, put it in another context…
“I’m offended”
“So? You’re offended. Get over it. No one died”
I know someone who’s transitioning, female to male, it must be very difficult for all concerned and we can only wish anyone in the same situation well but how did this become such an important issue?

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Dec 21 8.34am
Supreme Court throws out attempt to include gender neutral on passports. [Link] A rare dose of common sense from the SC. Courts are not there to define new laws that is Parliaments job. Gender neutral is not a recognised in law and is a preference you might as well put I am a toaster on your passport. One more point
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Beckenham 16 Dec 21 8.34am

Supreme Court throws out attempt to include gender neutral on passports.

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A rare dose of common sense from the SC. Courts are not there to define new laws that is Parliaments job. Gender neutral is not a recognised in law and is a preference you might as well put I am a toaster on your passport.

One more point

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CrazyBadger Ware 16 Dec 21 11.44am
The way I see it we all have 2 Genders; a Physical Gender and Mental Gender. Sometimes they differ. The Physical Gender is recordable, and identifiable by authority. People are of course able to change their physical gender through surgery, so to this end we should have a 3rd, 'Physical Birth Gender' which can be used on all Official documents, and in 99.99% of times, indisputable. By clarifying which Gender attribute(mental/physical) you are talking about helps simplify the argument, keeps identity confirmation and allows all possible combinations of Gender identities across them. Mental Gender can also have many more than just the traditional Male/Female identifiers, where as Physical Gender should not - although "Transitioning" or similar should be considered. I'm all for gender fluidity but there is way too much ambiguity between what is needed - an identifiable and measurable value, and what an individual identifies as, which can be immeasurable and open to change. Too often this is at odds with each other. Why can't we just make the distinction? "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 16 Dec 21 11.44am

The way I see it we all have 2 Genders; a Physical Gender and Mental Gender. Sometimes they differ.
The Physical Gender is recordable, and identifiable by authority. People are of course able to change their physical gender through surgery, so to this end we should have a 3rd, 'Physical Birth Gender' which can be used on all Official documents, and in 99.99% of times, indisputable.
By clarifying which Gender attribute(mental/physical) you are talking about helps simplify the argument, keeps identity confirmation and allows all possible combinations of Gender identities across them.
Mental Gender can also have many more than just the traditional Male/Female identifiers, where as Physical Gender should not - although "Transitioning" or similar should be considered.

I'm all for gender fluidity but there is way too much ambiguity between what is needed - an identifiable and measurable value, and what an individual identifies as, which can be immeasurable and open to change. Too often this is at odds with each other. Why can't we just make the distinction?

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 12.48pm
Physically there is only sex and it's binary....intersex is a genetic flaw in the process and doesn't constitute a separate sex in my view. Someone's genes can result in a feminine acting male or male acting female but those are labels we place on them. Gender is a sociological construct, hence it can only be mental.....these can be affected by the physical such as hormonal levels and obviously family cultural environment. What someone thinks of themselves is for them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Dec 21 12.48pm

Physically there is only sex and it's binary....intersex is a genetic flaw in the process and doesn't constitute a separate sex in my view.

Someone's genes can result in a feminine acting male or male acting female but those are labels we place on them.

Gender is a sociological construct, hence it can only be mental.....these can be affected by the physical such as hormonal levels and obviously family cultural environment.

What someone thinks of themselves is for them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Dec 21 12.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays From what I've read it's a subset of transhumanism, which is essentially an ideology which seeks to subvert and change nature in all its forms in pursuit of 'advancing' humanity. It's a hell of a headfeck when you look into it. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 4.10am) the final goal is to undermine the Traditional Family, replacing it with a Brave New World. something akin to Sperm Banks, an Overarching Welfare State and men reduced to being just castrated wage slaves. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

From what I've read it's a subset of transhumanism, which is essentially an ideology which seeks to subvert and change nature in all its forms in pursuit of 'advancing' humanity.

It's a hell of a headfeck when you look into it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 4.10am)

the final goal is to undermine the Traditional Family, replacing it with a Brave New World.

something akin to Sperm Banks, an Overarching Welfare State and men reduced to being just castrated wage slaves.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Dec 21 12.49pm
Lefties love to minimalise the gender difference. One question : name one species, apart from Humans, where the female and male are equal and the same in behaviours, physicality and other measurables. Imagine a Spanish Bullfighter trying to take on a Cow ? you cannot find equality among : chimpanzees, Puffer fish, baboons, zebras, spiders, preying Mantis's ( both have the females who eats the male ) nor Tigers. why then gender equality among humans ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Dec 2021 1.08pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 16 Dec 21 12.49pm

Lefties love to minimalise the gender difference.

One question : name one species, apart from Humans, where the female and male are equal and the same in behaviours, physicality and other measurables.

Imagine a Spanish Bullfighter trying to take on a Cow ?

you cannot find equality among : chimpanzees, Puffer fish, baboons, zebras, spiders, preying Mantis's ( both have the females who eats the male ) nor Tigers.

why then gender equality among humans ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Dec 2021 1.08pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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CrazyBadger Ware 16 Dec 21 2.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Physically there is only sex and it's binary....intersex is a genetic flaw in the process and doesn't constitute a separate sex in my view. Someone's genes can result in a feminine acting male or male acting female but those are labels we place on them. Gender is a sociological construct, hence it can only be mental.....these can be affected by the physical such as hormonal levels and obviously family cultural environment. What someone thinks of themselves is for them. I think Gender has become a term which encompasses both, and we have lost the distinction. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 16 Dec 21 2.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Physically there is only sex and it's binary....intersex is a genetic flaw in the process and doesn't constitute a separate sex in my view.

Someone's genes can result in a feminine acting male or male acting female but those are labels we place on them.

Gender is a sociological construct, hence it can only be mental.....these can be affected by the physical such as hormonal levels and obviously family cultural environment.

What someone thinks of themselves is for them.

I think Gender has become a term which encompasses both, and we have lost the distinction.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 2.57pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger I think Gender has become a term which encompasses both, and we have lost the distinction. That's interesting, but certainly news to me. What's sex mean now then? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Dec 21 2.57pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I think Gender has become a term which encompasses both, and we have lost the distinction.

That's interesting, but certainly news to me.

What's sex mean now then?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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