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PatrickA Flag London 01 Nov 21 7.50pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I’m disappointed and expected him to be doing better.

 

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fishbone Flag London 01 Nov 21 7.56pm Send a Private Message to fishbone Add fishbone as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I’m disappointed and expected him to be doing better.

His doing fine and not allowing for the players to burn out too soon plus for his first attempt at managing in the premier league this is brilliant.

 

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babylonjohn Flag St Leonards-on-Sea 01 Nov 21 8.29pm Send a Private Message to babylonjohn Add babylonjohn as a friend

Not just PV. Credit must go to Dougie and Parish for overhauling the squad so brilliantly in the summer. I really thought we would struggle to rebuild but it turned out we had a plan all along.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Nov 21 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The main difference in our style this season is that we close down much better. We conceded ground far too easily before. Our passing from the back is also much improved. The back four has been the same every week, so far, and that has helped a lot.

The improvements are largely about having better players and better coaching staff.

PV can take some credit for encouraging more energetic football, but it is not just about him. We actually spent money, and that is something that has been needed for several years.

 

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CT Charlie Flag 02 Nov 21 12.07am Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

Any manager would have benefited from the influx of quality players: Gallagher, Andersen, Guehi, Olise, and Edouard (and the rapidly maturing Mitchell).

But few men would have the wisdom and interpersonal skills to inspire the veterans to welcome the newcomers, change their style, and rebound from the crushing "losses" to Brighton and Arsenal to play so well at the Etihad.

I'm not surprised. A friend high in the NYCFC organization told me PV is a good man who would be a great success.


 

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viveasheagle Flag perth 02 Nov 21 2.34am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

For a relative young manager i like the way he is handling himself in the press conferences. He could have taken credit for the Olise substitution against City but gave the credit to his team. It is a team game and he was also very specific in his praise for how everyone defended as a team against City.
I like as well the improvement that is showing in our existing players. 3 that spring to my mind are particularly Joel Ward but also Tyrick Mitchell and Christian Benteke. I saw Mitchell lose the ball against Brentford when he was forced to come inside on his right foot but this has been addressed. Ward looks like he has got a yard extra pace from somewhere and Benteke looks back to his best.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Nov 21 5.17am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by viveasheagle

For a relative young manager i like the way he is handling himself in the press conferences. He could have taken credit for the Olise substitution against City but gave the credit to his team. It is a team game and he was also very specific in his praise for how everyone defended as a team against City.
I like as well the improvement that is showing in our existing players. 3 that spring to my mind are particularly Joel Ward but also Tyrick Mitchell and Christian Benteke. I saw Mitchell lose the ball against Brentford when he was forced to come inside on his right foot but this has been addressed. Ward looks like he has got a yard extra pace from somewhere and Benteke looks back to his best.

I agree about the 3 players but from somewhere benny has found a new lease of life. Missing a few but getting in the place to have the chance. Must have been shot to bits under roy though so once he's got his sights lined up I'm sure he will be converting a few more chances.
COYP

 

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antipodeagle Flag Wellington 02 Nov 21 7.28am Send a Private Message to antipodeagle Add antipodeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The main difference in our style this season is that we close down much better. We conceded ground far too easily before. Our passing from the back is also much improved. The back four has been the same every week, so far, and that has helped a lot.

The improvements are largely about having better players and better coaching staff.

PV can take some credit for encouraging more energetic football, but it is not just about him. We actually spent money, and that is something that has been needed for several years.

While it's true we have some very good new players, I would say almost an equal factor in our improvement has been the revelation that our remaining players from last season are able to dominate matches through a close control and passing game. Who knew that a team with Guaita, Ward, Mitchell, Milivojevic, McArthur, Ayew and Benteke could pass Arsenal off of the pitch?! The only one who still can't trap a bag of cement is Kouyate, but even he now has a role to play in certain situations like against Citeh.

I actually think Nuno would have done better here (on a relative scale) than he did at Spurs, but it would have been through enhancements to the Hodgson model and approach only. He certainly doesn't seem to have the chops to have done what PV has managed to do in a very short time indeed.

Irrespective of position in the table, this is the most exciting start to a season for decades: I can't wait for the next match each week, confident that we will give anyone a run for their money, even if we don't end up with the win. Long may it continue!

Edited by antipodeagle (02 Nov 2021 7.30am)

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 02 Nov 21 8.49am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

To be fair, I think most would have been in the same camp.

Viera was a big risk. Especially given the FDB fiasco.

And after the brand of football over the last couple of years, I don't think anyone thought that a young manager was the man to change the direction of play. To top that all off he's done it almost instantaneously.

Not taking anything away from PV, but I'm sure that Osian Roberts has a big part to play in it all too.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Nov 21 8.55am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


It might be that PV sees us as a stepping stone but maybe he’s looking at Palace as a project that he wants to succeed.
It’s been shown many times that it’s not necessary for a top manager to have been a notable player but in his case it may well make a difference to the younger players who can see how good he was.
So far he’s done everything we could hope and also seems to have recruited some very good coaches.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 02 Nov 21 9.15am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by viveasheagle

For a relative young manager i like the way he is handling himself in the press conferences. He could have taken credit for the Olise substitution against City but gave the credit to his team. It is a team game and he was also very specific in his praise for how everyone defended as a team against City.
I like as well the improvement that is showing in our existing players. 3 that spring to my mind are particularly Joel Ward but also Tyrick Mitchell and Christian Benteke. I saw Mitchell lose the ball against Brentford when he was forced to come inside on his right foot but this has been addressed. Ward looks like he has got a yard extra pace from somewhere and Benteke looks back to his best.

Joel Ward was on Radio 5 live last night saying he'd never been worked harder and he was learning.

 

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Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 02 Nov 21 9.18am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

OK so time for me to eat humble pie. Think it's been coming and after the events over the weekend and today its the nail in the coffin.

In the summer I argued about how frustrating it was that we seemed so close to getting NES only for it to be scuppered by his demands at the last second and my argument was that we should just do it to get him......(ahem)

I then argued that I was sceptical about getting PV as manager and that I felt people were putting too much into the fact he was a world class player but this does not necessarily mean he is a good manager.......(ahem)

It seems hard to argue against me being very wrong and it seems only right that I put myself in the Homesdale Online stocks and take whatever you wish to throw at me!

fair play to you mate. I do wonder, whether the bunch of fans who were absolutely adamant that we had reached our limit as a club under Roy, and could expect no better in terms of quality of football or a higher finish up the table, are able to take a step back and see that we are raising the bar again. That's not necessarily aimed at you, but there was a vocal group who just could not imagine a world where we're playing the sort of football that we are now. I know there's still a long way to go, but even the most ardent cynic must see that we're onto something here with PV. Even if they wouldn't admit it to anyone.

Not to bang on (but I am) but when we're next faced with a crossroads or some adversity, will the experience of something better that we're seeing now dampen their cynicism, or can they just not imagine things ever being better despite evidence showing that there is always a way to improve things within our means.

 

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