According to the Telegraph, NO.

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This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

There's no 'straw man' about it. The repetitive way in which you regurgitate the 'just ignore it' point at racist abuse, while being incapable of calming yourself at every single instance of black people not just letting it sail by is ridiculous.

Clearly if people impede an arrest, or were aggressive when the police tried to make it, then they will need to defend themselves. If the police need to arrest someone, it's not some nightclub brawl where anyone can lunge in. You have decided that instead of a scenario that is clearly much more likely, entirely peaceful, law abiding and non confrontational Hungarian fans stood by to allow an arrest and were randomly beaten for the fun of it by police who wanted a much larger group to then turn against them, punch and attack them.

You don't even believe that yourself. Stop whining for 5 seconds and support your team, and the stewards doing their job, rather than those attacking or hurling racist abuse at them. Quit doing your usual colour count before deciding who's in the right.

And for what it's worth Barnes makes some good points, that come from a place of someone who has both taken on various perspectives, doesn't feel the need to go along with the crowd, but also appreciates the intrinsic value of his countrymen regardless of their colour. Many fall flat on that last one.

I'd say that he's pretty much bang on with regard to taking the knee. It's akin to wearing a badge to make a point, sure it gets attention but beyond that it loses meaning and is more of an 'i've done my bit' without actually doing a thing. He's right to raise issues such as knife crime, engaging with communities and government rather than something that is a lazy, symbolic gesture. With how much money footballers have they could engage in far more transformative action than taking the knee.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Oct 2021 3.53pm)

Straw man stuff again.

One more time. Do you think it is reasonable for policemen with sticks to attempt an arrest for using insulting words when the consequences of that clearly made matters far worse?

The obvious point for those smart enough to understand is that the police are clearly under a directive to clamp down on high profile verbal abuse of only one particular type.

I don't pay taxes for them to be used in such a disproportionate manner. It is farcical.

Not all that strawman since you've now completely backtracked from saying that the crowd were attacked with sticks in an unprovoked fashion. In answer to what fragment of a point remains, racial abuse, as stated is not included in the price of a ticket and is against the law and terms of attendance.

Therefore certainly it is absolutely fine for the police to remove someone from the grounds in such circumstances. If they are obstructed from doing so or attacked in the line of duty, they are fully within their right to defend themselves. I'm inclined to support them over those unable to control their behaviour in a very basic way.

Footage of this entire incident was recorded in Ultra HD. If innocent Hungarian fans completely minding their own business and not trying to obstruct an arrest were mindlessly battered by what you appear to think was an out of control group of police attacking anybody then they can expect significant compensation. Of course though that is exceeding unlikely to occur, because the scenario you've dreamt up is logically very unlikely to have happened.

For one if you call someone a pr!ck on a football pitch I'm not sure that anyone thinks its more 'okay' if the target is black or 'white and british'. As a side point, players can of course also be 'black and british'.

Secondly, insults or words hold different weight at any given time. While the likes of the n word hold very little weight for you because you bizarrely spend endless hours rallying against those on the receiving end of such language, in society as a whole it is widely agreed that calling someone a t0sser or similar is rather tame when compared to peppering someone with racial slurs.