Trump knew that it was likely he wouldn't even been President by the time a deal was deal, so it was always fantasy land to imagine what any deal might have looked like. You're right that he was hardly mr allegiance either. The amount of people he threw under the bus when it was convenient to do so was comical.

It was always going to be a struggle, as an individual country getting better deals than a trading block. That would be true whoever was President. Trump didn't give a sh!t and Biden doesn't know whether he's coming or going. Good luck Boris!

Edited by BlueJay (22 Sep 2021 3.52pm)

Who cares if it's called 'special' or not? I stated the reality of the situation. For economic and military reasons the British have been the junior partner in this relationship since post WW2. To present that as if it's news....like it's some kind of 'Brexit' own just boggles my mind. Just who do you think you are teaching?

As I said....and as you ignored the relationship between us and America is dependent upon who the PM and US president are and how they get on. However, any rift can only cut so far as.....again, as I stated, both countries are joined at the hip both militarily and with intelligence services.....even fools like Biden know that.

As for yourself, I stated the 'cake and eat it' observation....you think it's ok to view your identity purely in selfish, what's important to you terms. Ok, but these things also cut both ways. So if you want to talk about being a free spirit then, in reality, when you talk of 'we' it isn't real and just your cake.

Also, I have to smile about being 'British and Irish'....my father is northern Irish, the distinction between the British and Irish is national and as such conceptual.

I call myself English because that's my culture/genetics but in reality I'm a northern European mix just as you probably are....as are all the native Irish and British.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Sep 2021 3.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Well of course a trade deal will eventually happen, whoever the President ended up being. What the actual final signed, sealed or delivered deal would've been though is anyones guess. 50/50 provides a very reasonable possibly that he won't be President and indeed he isn't.

I can't deny your leftish red neck style does have a certain charm.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Does the french president incessantly crawl to the USA like this?

Its like the UK reporting for its daily orders.

And they might as well as the tories have sold off so much to the USA we may as well be considered as the 52nd (?) state.

Not mentioning a certain PL football club of course!

The NHS is holding out but that will be dismembered by the tories, they have probably run out of money servicing the 2 trillions of debt.

When you see them cut the £20 of poor people who badly need it, while spending over 100 billions on a railway line you wonder if there is any sanity left.

Biden is actually right, no trade deal means you can actually trade and our balance is healthy.

Trade deals are 90% political and 10% trade.

We are almost related!