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Matov 05 Jul 21 9.30pm
Originally posted by croydon proud The programme was actually quite balanced on brexit good or brexit bad, pity Matov didn"t understand it/see it. To be fair, I did not watch it so willing to accept a little bit of your critique. Will give it a go over the next couple of days and report back. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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05 Jul 21 9.30pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

The programme was actually quite balanced on brexit good or brexit bad, pity Matov didn"t understand it/see it.

To be fair, I did not watch it so willing to accept a little bit of your critique. Will give it a go over the next couple of days and report back.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 05 Jul 21 9.37pm
Originally posted by Matov To be fair, I did not watch it so willing to accept a little bit of your critique. Will give it a go over the next couple of days and report back. OK, thats fair. it wasn"t a great watch and didn"t come to much conclusion but take a look if you can.
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Any european country i fancy! 05 Jul 21 9.37pm

Originally posted by Matov

To be fair, I did not watch it so willing to accept a little bit of your critique. Will give it a go over the next couple of days and report back.

OK, thats fair. it wasn"t a great watch and didn"t come to much conclusion but take a look if you can.

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martin2412 Living The Dream 05 Jul 21 9.54pm
I only caught the last few minutes of it, but they were trying to sum-up whether Brexit has been good or bad for business in its first six months. The thing is that there's been a pandemic, so how can they determine one way or the other ? Pointless exercise imo.
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Living The Dream 05 Jul 21 9.54pm

I only caught the last few minutes of it, but they were trying to sum-up whether Brexit has been good or bad for business in its first six months.

The thing is that there's been a pandemic, so how can they determine one way or the other ?

Pointless exercise imo.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jul 21 10.04pm
Originally posted by Matov Except it did work. I championed us leaving the EU. And I won. That simple really. Now not got much by way of formal qualifications but it's not difficult to can grasp basic maths like 52 being higher than 48 when expressed as a percentage. Working out the constituency breakdown part was little bit more involved, and I used the research of others to reach my conclusions, but ultimately said how insane a second referendum policy was. And once again, borne out in terms of how the 2019 General Election panned out although I confess to not quite grasping just how much of a wave of support was out there for getting Brexit done. I had the Tory majority around the 40-50 mark. But I was on the right side of history, once again. What's your excuse? Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent. The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters. No-one who voted against Brexit argued about the simple maths. It's the consequences of the events that resulted in those maths and the subsequent shenanigans that were foisted on the electorate to avoid them being doubled checked which caused the arguments. That's water under the bridge. Now we are dealing with the reality of taking a decision that many, and latterly I suspect most, people believe was foolish in the extreme. Exposing the consequences of that reality is necessary to ensure that there is a political ground swelling of opinion that supports us rejoining in some meaningful way at the earliest opportunity. The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Jul 21 10.04pm

Originally posted by Matov

Except it did work. I championed us leaving the EU. And I won. That simple really.

Now not got much by way of formal qualifications but it's not difficult to can grasp basic maths like 52 being higher than 48 when expressed as a percentage. Working out the constituency breakdown part was little bit more involved, and I used the research of others to reach my conclusions, but ultimately said how insane a second referendum policy was. And once again, borne out in terms of how the 2019 General Election panned out although I confess to not quite grasping just how much of a wave of support was out there for getting Brexit done. I had the Tory majority around the 40-50 mark. But I was on the right side of history, once again.

What's your excuse?

Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent.

The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters.

No-one who voted against Brexit argued about the simple maths. It's the consequences of the events that resulted in those maths and the subsequent shenanigans that were foisted on the electorate to avoid them being doubled checked which caused the arguments.

That's water under the bridge. Now we are dealing with the reality of taking a decision that many, and latterly I suspect most, people believe was foolish in the extreme. Exposing the consequences of that reality is necessary to ensure that there is a political ground swelling of opinion that supports us rejoining in some meaningful way at the earliest opportunity.

The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 05 Jul 21 11.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent. The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters. No-one who voted against Brexit argued about the simple maths. It's the consequences of the events that resulted in those maths and the subsequent shenanigans that were foisted on the electorate to avoid them being doubled checked which caused the arguments. That's water under the bridge. Now we are dealing with the reality of taking a decision that many, and latterly I suspect most, people believe was foolish in the extreme. Exposing the consequences of that reality is necessary to ensure that there is a political ground swelling of opinion that supports us rejoining in some meaningful way at the earliest opportunity. The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time. How can you double check the unknown which is what brexit was. I think you are disingenuous to assume people don't want to see this go for a much longer period. I have stated before that I doubt there are many leavers who wouldn't consider rejoining if conditions and terms allied to our status as a country. Mock that if you like but we are a highly respected and powerful force around the world, metaphorically. The battle is on but not at home; it's with the EU.
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The garden of England 05 Jul 21 11.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent.

The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters.

The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time.

How can you double check the unknown which is what brexit was. I think you are disingenuous to assume people don't want to see this go for a much longer period. I have stated before that I doubt there are many leavers who wouldn't consider rejoining if conditions and terms allied to our status as a country.
Mock that if you like but we are a highly respected and powerful force around the world, metaphorically.
The battle is on but not at home; it's with the EU.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Jul 21 11.29pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent. The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters. No-one who voted against Brexit argued about the simple maths. It's the consequences of the events that resulted in those maths and the subsequent shenanigans that were foisted on the electorate to avoid them being doubled checked which caused the arguments. That's water under the bridge. Now we are dealing with the reality of taking a decision that many, and latterly I suspect most, people believe was foolish in the extreme. Exposing the consequences of that reality is necessary to ensure that there is a political ground swelling of opinion that supports us rejoining in some meaningful way at the earliest opportunity. The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time. You lost. Move on Stop wasting your time and try to enjoy life. Peace and love to everyone "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 05 Jul 21 11.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent.

The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters.

The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time.

You lost. Move on

Stop wasting your time and try to enjoy life.

Peace and love to everyone

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Jul 21 11.58pm
London voted remain. Cos London has so few Londoners. I'm glad they got overruled by the rest of England. Brexit. Won it. Innit ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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London voted remain. Cos London has so few Londoners.

I'm glad they got overruled by the rest of England.

Brexit. Won it. Innit ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 21 6.52am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent. The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters. No-one who voted against Brexit argued about the simple maths. It's the consequences of the events that resulted in those maths and the subsequent shenanigans that were foisted on the electorate to avoid them being doubled checked which caused the arguments. That's water under the bridge. Now we are dealing with the reality of taking a decision that many, and latterly I suspect most, people believe was foolish in the extreme. Exposing the consequences of that reality is necessary to ensure that there is a political ground swelling of opinion that supports us rejoining in some meaningful way at the earliest opportunity. The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time. Is your first paragraph aimed at yourself? Are you saying that there may have been some form of fraud involved, that the result needed to be double checked? Come on the barrels bottom has been scraped enough surely Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 7.02am)
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Horsham 06 Jul 21 6.52am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your arguments are really very boring, repetitive and completely pointless. Their only merit is that they are consistent.

The real arguments are much more nuanced and involve the context and sequence of events. Not just taking simple maths and claiming victory. It's what lies behind the maths which matters.

The battle you are so keen on fighting is over. All you are doing is waving a flag on an empty battleground. The war has moved elsewhere, and it's one you are losing big time.

Is your first paragraph aimed at yourself?
Are you saying that there may have been some form of fraud involved, that the result needed to be double checked? Come on the barrels bottom has been scraped enough surely

Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 7.02am)

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 06 Jul 21 6.57am
We'll show Johnny Foreigner there's life after Brexit ... First, win the Euros, then Eurovision, followed by World War 3 and anything else that's on offer! Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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We'll show Johnny Foreigner there's life after Brexit ... First, win the Euros, then Eurovision, followed by World War 3 and anything else that's on offer!

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Jul 21 7.02am
Panorama ? Would you listen to a sermon from a radical fruitcake ? Oh the irony. The most blinkered and myopic organisation names it's flagship propaganda programme "comprehensive 360 degree view" Can i suggest you watch some of the propaganda on RT or al Jazeera in order to balance all the lies from the BBC. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 06 Jul 21 7.02am

Panorama ? Would you listen to a sermon from a radical fruitcake ?

Oh the irony. The most blinkered and myopic organisation names it's flagship propaganda programme "comprehensive 360 degree view"

Can i suggest you watch some of the propaganda on RT or al Jazeera in order to balance all the lies from the BBC.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jul 21 8.08am
Originally posted by martin2412 I only caught the last few minutes of it, but they were trying to sum-up whether Brexit has been good or bad for business in its first six months. The thing is that there's been a pandemic, so how can they determine one way or the other ? Pointless exercise imo. Exactly, even without a pandemic you are comparing a known to an unknown so it's just speculation. We know for instance how many jobs have been lost this last year, what we don't know is how many would have been lost if we had stayed in the EU. The companies involved may say oh it's Brexit or the pandemic but companies like to make excuses rather than say bad management. The western economy is changing due to technology and automation and will happen regardless of Brexit. The pandemic has given companies the excuse to speed this process up. I notice this week one of the big finance houses has told 500 personal assistants they are no longer required. Anyway still to early to say whether Brexit is a success the best I can suggest and it is just an opinion is that so far it has not been the disaster that some predicted. One more point
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Beckenham 06 Jul 21 8.08am

Originally posted by martin2412

I only caught the last few minutes of it, but they were trying to sum-up whether Brexit has been good or bad for business in its first six months.

The thing is that there's been a pandemic, so how can they determine one way or the other ?

Pointless exercise imo.

Exactly, even without a pandemic you are comparing a known to an unknown so it's just speculation. We know for instance how many jobs have been lost this last year, what we don't know is how many would have been lost if we had stayed in the EU. The companies involved may say oh it's Brexit or the pandemic but companies like to make excuses rather than say bad management.

The western economy is changing due to technology and automation and will happen regardless of Brexit. The pandemic has given companies the excuse to speed this process up. I notice this week one of the big finance houses has told 500 personal assistants they are no longer required.

Anyway still to early to say whether Brexit is a success the best I can suggest and it is just an opinion is that so far it has not been the disaster that some predicted.

One more point

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 06 Jul 21 8.10am
It was a strange selection of companies they chose, but the BBC were highlighting difficulties now the UK are out of Europe. (not much point choosing companies who had a seamless transition). Some companies are continually given additional hurdles to jump through, and it's costing them dearly. "Europe were never going to make it easy for the UK to leave. They want to make an example of the UK in trying to fck us over, so other countries don't leave." No-one ever thought to mention that in the campaign, though it was pretty obvious to those in industry, what was going to happen. And then there's NI,.... I disengage, I turn the page.
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It was a strange selection of companies they chose, but the BBC were highlighting difficulties now the UK are out of Europe. (not much point choosing companies who had a seamless transition).

Some companies are continually given additional hurdles to jump through, and it's costing them dearly.

"Europe were never going to make it easy for the UK to leave. They want to make an example of the UK in trying to fck us over, so other countries don't leave."
No-one ever thought to mention that in the campaign, though it was pretty obvious to those in industry, what was going to happen. And then there's NI,....

I disengage, I turn the page.

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