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 Stirlingsays  03 Jun 21 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Freedom from the pesky europeans he wanted away from and is now trying his utmost to bring back, obvs. I give up.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 03 Jun 21 11.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I give up. Thats freedom for you!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Jun 21 11.21pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Workshy feckless Brit > hard working Eastern European apparently. So the great british fruit and veg farmers seem to think! And i"m sure if the local british were reliable and hard working, and turned up on a weekend, they would be more than happy to employ them, why wouldn"t they? But obviously the rumours were true, the europeans work harder and are more reliable, even the students over here don"t want to pick fruit, yet in my day, they would travel to the kibbutz to pick in Israel, how times have changed.
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| DanH SW2 03 Jun 21 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
So the great british fruit and veg farmers seem to think! And i"m sure if the local british were reliable and hard working, and turned up on a weekend, they would be more than happy to employ them, why wouldn"t they? But obviously the rumours were true, the europeans work harder and are more reliable, even the students over here don"t want to pick fruit, yet in my day, they would travel to the kibbutz to pick in Israel, how times have changed. A lot of the practices that go on on the farms are pretty disgraceful though and they don’t want British labour as they don’t live on site. When on site they deduct a ‘rent’ from their wage which pushes the labour costs down even further. A lot of this practice is hand forced as the farms are locked in to low prices by the big supermarkets who have massive control over the prices they pay. The whole supply chain is pretty screwed, the margins are so low all the way through until the big supermarkets ensure they get their share.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Jun 21 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
A lot of the practices that go on on the farms are pretty disgraceful though and they don’t want British labour as they don’t live on site. When on site they deduct a ‘rent’ from their wage which pushes the labour costs down even further. A lot of this practice is hand forced as the farms are locked in to low prices by the big supermarkets who have massive control over the prices they pay. The whole supply chain is pretty screwed, the margins are so low all the way through until the big supermarkets ensure they get their share. Yes, all true Dan, makes you feel for the poor europeans coming over,hard graft, seven days a week, for not a great wage after deductions, fair play to them you could say!
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jun 21 6.30am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Indeed! so perhaps the rumours about the workshy over here were right mate, I know the farmers employing the europeans picking fruit think so, most say they tried to employ local brits but they never turn up on a weekend so gave up! FWIW my son and his girlfriend tried desperately to get farm work last year, when, allegedly there was a shortage. Most didn’t reply to them, whilst others insisted they live on site, in caravans, and would have accommodation costs deducted at source. Why?
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jun 21 6.32am |
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Originally posted by DanH
A lot of the practices that go on on the farms are pretty disgraceful though and they don’t want British labour as they don’t live on site. When on site they deduct a ‘rent’ from their wage which pushes the labour costs down even further. A lot of this practice is hand forced as the farms are locked in to low prices by the big supermarkets who have massive control over the prices they pay. The whole supply chain is pretty screwed, the margins are so low all the way through until the big supermarkets ensure they get their share. Yep, see my last post. Over the years, I have seen many contracts for the imported farm workers, they do not make pretty reading but presumably better than what is available in their home countries
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 Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jun 21 8.42am |
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Originally posted by DanH
The reality is that even people working full time jobs in a lot of these industries don’t make enough to be self-sufficient. Especially those with kids. Of course industry wants cheap labour from abroad. This is how they keep their costs low by ensuring that they can pay peanuts.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jun 21 9.08am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course industry wants cheap labour from abroad. This is how they keep their costs low by ensuring that they can pay peanuts. I think the media reporting on the shortages in hospitably sector is quite disgraceful. The last unemployment figures I saw were 4.8% that is a lot. In the next month we have thousands of school leavers about to start looking for work and 2m people still on furlough until September. The media is still buying into we need to import cheap foreign labour to help our companies who pay Mcjob wages, No we bloody well don't. Why is the media not mentioning any of this? It is possible that by October unemployment will be rising not falling although I hope not. Tim Martin maybe a Brexiteer but I can't stand him or his pubs he and Starbucks et al should be told loud and clear start recruiting locally and pay better wages.
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jun 21 9.14am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think the media reporting on the shortages in hospitably sector is quite disgraceful. The last unemployment figures I saw were 4.8% that is a lot. In the next month we have thousands of school leavers about to start looking for work and 2m people still on furlough until September. The media is still buying into we need to import cheap foreign labour to help our companies who pay Mcjob wages, No we bloody well don't. Why is the media not mentioning any of this? It is possible that by October unemployment will be rising not falling although I hope not. Tim Martin maybe a Brexiteer but I can't stand him or his pubs he and Starbucks et al should be told loud and clear start recruiting locally and pay better wages.
Couple of years ago, my son was desperately trying to find work, he had just left Uni. As he was over 21, I believe the minimum wage is slightly higher than for Under 21s. He applied at our local chip pie, who had been advertising for weeks, he was flexible as to how many hours and when he could work, they were keen until he said he was over 21, never heard again. The same applied when he applied to Sports Direct.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 04 Jun 21 9.42am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
This staunch brexiteer and wetherspoons boss has called for easier immigration rules as he can"t get enough staff for his pubs and it must be eating away at his profits.He was the most on screen industry boss during the brexit vote, the one i remember anyway, now he wants to make it easy for Johnny foreigner to come over to our great country, does he not want to employ our great british workforce?If he uses the "workshy"excuse, we should pack him off to eastern europe to be with his pals.
It’s a fallacy that the country require an endless stream of cheap labour.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 04 Jun 21 9.47am |
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Originally posted by DanH
A lot of the practices that go on on the farms are pretty disgraceful though and they don’t want British labour as they don’t live on site. When on site they deduct a ‘rent’ from their wage which pushes the labour costs down even further. A lot of this practice is hand forced as the farms are locked in to low prices by the big supermarkets who have massive control over the prices they pay. The whole supply chain is pretty screwed, the margins are so low all the way through until the big supermarkets ensure they get their share. They don’t want British workers as British workers generally demand to be paid a fair wage. Low wages are a direct result of open immigration. The left never mention this which is a shame, as it’s the working man who has been f@cked by this.
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