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PalazioVecchio south pole 31 May 21 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
...and how do you square up your ideology with being an Eagle ? one of our greatest legends has 8 kids by four different women. He was always good at scoring.
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Matov 31 May 21 2.24pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
...and how do you square up your ideology with being an Eagle ? one of our greatest legends has 8 kids by four different women. He was always good at scoring.
But I am not a football fan. In fact, increasingly see all forms of professional sport as nothing more than the bread and circuses beloved of the Elites by way of diverting attention from all kinds. Football especially, the 20th century and beyond 'opium of the masses'. However, I bleed red and blue. Always will do. Not proud of that nor ashamed. Just a fact. But if I had my chance again? Then probably avoid.
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Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 21 2.46pm | |
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Is this thread real? I just wondered if I was hallucinating or travelled back in time. It is still 2021? Of course, having children and then not taking responsibility for them is despicable, but who cares if kids are born out of wedlock or what the backward Catholic church thinks about it?
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Matov 31 May 21 4.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I am Catholic so tend to care what it thinks, and am willling to argue around that but if you are not Catholic, then fine, just ignore. But the issue around children being born out of wedlock is one that should concern us all. The benefits to wider society by having high levels of children born into traditional wedded families is staggering. Even ignoring all the religious stuff, the evolutionary advantages enjoyed by groups that place a high value on marriage and which contain a group shamming of people who do not abide by that convention is incredible. You want kids and want them to do well in life? Then get married before you have them. That single factor alone will benefit them, and everybody else by default. Marriage exists for a reason. Has evolved that way. And should not be taken lightly. Of crucial importance.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 May 21 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am Catholic so tend to care what it thinks, and am willling to argue around that but if you are not Catholic, then fine, just ignore. But the issue around children being born out of wedlock is one that should concern us all. The benefits to wider society by having high levels of children born into traditional wedded families is staggering. Even ignoring all the religious stuff, the evolutionary advantages enjoyed by groups that place a high value on marriage and which contain a group shamming of people who do not abide by that convention is incredible. You want kids and want them to do well in life? Then get married before you have them. That single factor alone will benefit them, and everybody else by default. Marriage exists for a reason. Has evolved that way. And should not be taken lightly. Of crucial importance. Isn't Islam like that - how are they evolutionary better? I'm not seeing it, although having two parents can often be an advantage, I suspect. I haven't particularly looked into anything. I'm from a single parent family myself, shock horror. The marriage aspect seems like a typical Catholic Church power grab to me, personally.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 31 May 21 5.00pm | |
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what is the evidence for kids that grow up without a father in the home ? kids, especially boys, without a good male role-model, nor even an average one. Evidence in terms of : - academic performance - drink & drugs - health & longevity Do the countries with all the social problems also have all the broken homes ? Boris Johnson is now our role model, our leader, our exemplar of manhood. 7 by 3. Good Conservative Family values. For sure, some kids of single mothers do turn out fine. Edited by PalazioVecchio (31 May 2021 5.02pm)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 May 21 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
what is the evidence for kids that grow up without a father in the home ? kids, especially boys, without a good male role-model, nor even an average one. Evidence in terms of : - academic performance - drink & drugs - health & longevity Do the countries with all the social problems also have all the broken homes ? Boris Johnson is now our role model, our leader, our exemplar of manhood. 7 by 3. Good Conservative Family values. For sure, some kids of single mothers do turn out fine. Edited by PalazioVecchio (31 May 2021 5.02pm) I do tend to agree, but if you consider the church's position, I can't see that an official marriage ceremony in a church is going to make a difference. Two parents are two parents, regardless of what the church says.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 31 May 21 6.02pm | |
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even as an atheist, i value the notion of a couple being committed to each other. Governments should give them more tax breaks, meanwhile giving less incentives to the single-parent lifestyle. some teenage girls in our 'hood see being a single mum as a life goal....maybe they should see being with a fella longterm as a better goal ? some boys in our hood want to do a Boris. Have baby-mummies carrying their progeny all across London...with little contribution to the bills and other work.
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Stirlingsays 31 May 21 6.29pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Isn't Islam like that - how are they evolutionary better? I'm not seeing it, although having two parents can often be an advantage, I suspect. I haven't particularly looked into anything. I'm from a single parent family myself, shock horror. The marriage aspect seems like a typical Catholic Church power grab to me, personally. The stats do bear it out. The kind of people who value the church's seal on a marriage are more likely to be more conservative on marriage vows and treat them more seriously than those who view marriage more liberally. Parents staying together statistically improves the chance of the children achieving or even more importantly staying out of trouble. It isn't about intelligence......when I last looked into inheritance on intelligence it seemed to be more affected by the mother's IQ than the father, though how much and how consistently that's the case is hard to say. It's about mental stability and self worth......there are plenty of good single parents and step-parents but we all know that blood makes a difference.....When you look at your own boy/girl you see a distorted version of yourself and your partner....and vice versa for the child and that matters a lot psychologically. Break ups...especially when they aren't handled well, feck up a lot of people. I think a lot of people intrinsically know this and will stay together because of it until the children are old enough to process it and be ok. Then again, that takes two reasonable people. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2021 6.35pm)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 May 21 6.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The stats do bear it out. The kind of people who value the church's seal on a marriage are more likely to be more conservative on marriage vows and treat them more seriously than those who view marriage more liberally. Parents staying together statistically improves the chance of the children achieving or even more importantly staying out of trouble. It isn't about intelligence......when I last looked into inheritance on intelligence it seemed to be more affected by the mother's IQ than the father, though how much and how consistently that's the case is hard to say. It's about mental stability and self worth......there are plenty of good single parents and step-parents but we all know that blood makes a difference.....When you look at your own boy/girl you see a distorted version of yourself and your partner....and vice versa for the child and that matters a lot psychologically. Break ups...especially when they aren't handled well, feck up a lot of people. I think a lot of people intrinsically know this and will stay together because of it until the children are old enough to process it and be ok. Then again, that takes two reasonable people. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2021 6.35pm) I can imagine what you mean. I just tend to look at church weddings as a bit of a throwback. More a personal opinion. I tend to think civil ceremonies, or legal partnerships are just as valid as church weddings. I can imagine where that throws up certain current issues too.
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Stirlingsays 31 May 21 6.57pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I can imagine what you mean. I just tend to look at church weddings as a bit of a throwback. More a personal opinion. I tend to think civil ceremonies, or legal partnerships are just as valid as church weddings. I can imagine where that throws up certain current issues too. I suppose I value a church wedding more, but I get your beat. It's really down to how seriously both take the marriage....some people will put up with a lot and others not so much and until you're in that situation who ever really knows. Even if two people are well matched life is going to throw in reasons to bale....because, as we know, life is rarely a party and a series of breezy smiles.
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Matov 31 May 21 7.05pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I can imagine what you mean. I just tend to look at church weddings as a bit of a throwback. More a personal opinion. I tend to think civil ceremonies, or legal partnerships are just as valid as church weddings. I can imagine where that throws up certain current issues too. Any religious 'marriage' is not a throw-back. That is the norm. How humanity evolved. Again, kids who parents were married in Church before they were born are statistically less likely to end up in jail, to misuse drugs, and will grow up into people who make a contribution to society as opposed to being a drag on it. The reason why the West is in so, so much trouble can be traced back to the decline in this acceptance of this as the ideal, a concept to be embraced and celebrated. . If you consider yourself on the Right, I truly cannot understand how you can not be in favour of the traditional family unit as the centre stone of it all. That is the purpose of it. The entire point. And why the Left are hell-bent on destroying it. The more they convince people that it is fine to just have babies when you want and not worry about raising them with two parents, the more we sink into the mire. I guarantee that of those girls who were abused up North, less than 10% came from families where the parents had married in Church and done so before they had them. The family unit protects and nourishes, along with embracing much wider family connections that encourage all kinds of positive behaviour. Of course, we can all quote incidences where single parents are wonderful and families an utter nightmare but those are the exceptions, not the norms. You want to be a true rebel in this day and age then get married in a Church. And be bloody proud of that because you are part of the Resistance.
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