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Matov 13 May 21 7.01pm | |
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The holocaust led to a terrible sense of collective trauma amongst the Jewish people and quite rightly so. Let us not forget that the Nazi's set out to destroy a race of people. And that legacy lives on today, contributing to the ongoing issues, a back to the wall's mentality that means any kind of response will be meted out accordingly. If I was Jewish, I would feel exactly the same. Thats not excusing the behaviour but adding to the understanding but also ditto with the Palastinians in Gaza. Hemmed in, access in and out controlled by foreign powers, not allowed access to all kinds of goods, creating a pressure cooker of hostility and aggression and with some justification. If I was a Palestinian then I would be cheering on every rocket fired. And I was an Israeli, I would be cheering on every retaliation. That is the problem.
Hence why I genuinely believe Israel is seeking to have the region depopulated. And seeing Europe as the place which should facilitate that.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 May 21 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
The holocaust led to a terrible sense of collective trauma amongst the Jewish people and quite rightly so. Let us not forget that the Nazi's set out to destroy a race of people. And that legacy lives on today, contributing to the ongoing issues, a back to the wall's mentality that means any kind of response will be meted out accordingly. If I was Jewish, I would feel exactly the same. Thats not excusing the behaviour but adding to the understanding but also ditto with the Palastinians in Gaza. Hemmed in, access in and out controlled by foreign powers, not allowed access to all kinds of goods, creating a pressure cooker of hostility and aggression and with some justification. If I was a Palestinian then I would be cheering on every rocket fired. And I was an Israeli, I would be cheering on every retaliation. That is the problem.
Hence why I genuinely believe Israel is seeking to have the region depopulated. And seeing Europe as the place which should facilitate that.
I can see where you're coming from. I've given reasons why I don't really buy it. If Palestinians were to leave what is their own country, do you not think they would move to another Arab state and be used against Israel, as and when required? Surely that would make more sense. Perhaps you're thinking Germany would take them in? I'm not seeing it due to current domestic politics in most of Europe. However, that can change of course.
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Matov 13 May 21 8.33pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I can see where you're coming from. I've given reasons why I don't really buy it. If Palestinians were to leave what is their own country, do you not think they would move to another Arab state and be used against Israel, as and when required? Surely that would make more sense. Perhaps you're thinking Germany would take them in? I'm not seeing it due to current domestic politics in most of Europe. However, that can change of course. My suppostion is purely speculation, and probably driven by the odd way my battered old crust works but ever since that debacle in Libya, and subsequently reading around the subject, it just began to make less and less sense. Essentially by taking out Gaddafi, the West plunged what had been, a functioning state into utter chaos and opened up routes to mass illegal immigration. And for what? Ever since then, one of the major questions has been around the migration issue with the Left moving more and to an 'open-borders position for people who are, by any definition, the antithesis of what they stand for in terms of beliefs and cultural expectations. The irony of my ramblings is that population transfers are tried and tested historical methods of solving conflict situations. There is a real logic to it but it has to manipulated so that the West is doing the inviting. Not that Israel are driving them out. But the backlash is real. Left-wing parties are losing almost everywhere in Europe yet control many of the state institutions which constantly promote the notion that even the slightest hint of disagreement with mass migration is literally now seen as almost criminal. With attendant 'hate' laws in place. I suspect Brexit was a huge spanner in the works as well, hence much of the resistance to it. It feels like a set up. As though we are being prepared for a much larger number to be introduced and any resistance to that to be cowed into compliance. However I am also willing to consider that I am losing the plot a tad but still, that part of me that over-thinks these things, will not be stilled. Edited by Matov (13 May 2021 8.37pm)
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Badger11 Beckenham 13 May 21 8.46pm | |
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This is the way we are going
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Matov 13 May 21 8.50pm | |
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A perfect example. Like when those people on-board a flight prevented the deportation of a convicted rapist. All about good feel moments for the protesters rather than the actual attempt to rid the country of a scum-bag. No #metoo moment in that.
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DanH SW2 13 May 21 9.16pm | |
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Good. Well done people of Glasgow. A fine city.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 May 21 9.55pm | |
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I just wish the Israelis and the Palestinians could settle their differences like good Christians.
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DanH SW2 13 May 21 10.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I just wish the Israelis and the Palestinians could settle their differences like good Christians. They need to send in the big gun negotiators. Attachment: 7BD811C9-7020-4D6E-A85D-81FF058C83C2.jpeg (171.73Kb)
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Stirlingsays 13 May 21 10.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I just wish the Israelis and the Palestinians could settle their differences like good Christians.
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BlueJay UK 14 May 21 2.43am | |
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Palestinian Children Try To Make A Cooking Video Only To Be Interrupted By The Sound Explosions And Gunfire - [Link] Clearly not the full picture... but enough of it.
Israel has enough dirt and influence on uncle sam to make a big screen picture that would burn your eyes out. Edited by BlueJay (14 May 2021 4.27am)
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 May 21 6.04am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Good. Well done people of Glasgow. A fine city. Serious question Dan, do you think the government should not be allowed to remove people who are here illegally?
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dannyboy1978 14 May 21 6.34am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Good. Well done people of Glasgow. A fine city. You didn't answer my question a few days ago. Would you buy a house directly next to travelers camp? Edited by dannyboy1978 (14 May 2021 6.35am)
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