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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 17 May 21 12.18pm
Originally posted by Matov One of the (many) changes I would like to see is a requirement for all MP's to have been resident in the areas they are trying to represent for a period of say 5 years. I can understand that argument, but don't see that as particularly important in representing your constituents in this age of transient populations. Michael Foot was embedded in the old Welsh seat of his hero Aneurin Bevan and adored by his constituents, yet in reality he was a Hampstead intellectual. Conversely, Mrs T was a shopkeeper's daughter from the East Midlands, but serving Finchley for all those years instilled in her a life-long admiration for Jewish people.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 17 May 21 12.18pm

Originally posted by Matov

One of the (many) changes I would like to see is a requirement for all MP's to have been resident in the areas they are trying to represent for a period of say 5 years.

I can understand that argument, but don't see that as particularly important in representing your constituents in this age of transient populations. Michael Foot was embedded in the old Welsh seat of his hero Aneurin Bevan and adored by his constituents, yet in reality he was a Hampstead intellectual.

Conversely, Mrs T was a shopkeeper's daughter from the East Midlands, but serving Finchley for all those years instilled in her a life-long admiration for Jewish people.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 May 21 1.10pm
Originally posted by Matov Labour already spinning on this like it is lost. Apparently, George Galloway's fault as he is planning to stand and they think he will attract a significant % of the areas Muslim vote. Poor Labour. First, they sacrifice white working-class girls, and by default the white working-class vote, by way of trying to secure Muslim support and now Galloway, apparently, is going to swan in and steal those. LOL. well you cannot please all the people all the time. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Matov

Labour already spinning on this like it is lost. Apparently, George Galloway's fault as he is planning to stand and they think he will attract a significant % of the areas Muslim vote.

Poor Labour. First, they sacrifice white working-class girls, and by default the white working-class vote, by way of trying to secure Muslim support and now Galloway, apparently, is going to swan in and steal those.

LOL.

well you cannot please all the people all the time.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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HKOwen Hong Kong 18 May 21 1.59am
This adds interest. I like George in that he is consistent in his views many of which I don't agree with but some I do. Interesting as to whether he is technically married to no. 4. If he runs he will take votes and give Starmer/Labour an excuse for defeat. Naz Shah who ousted him in Bradford West is the most appalling racist and rape gang apologist Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 18 May 21 1.59am

This adds interest. I like George in that he is consistent in his views many of which I don't agree with but some I do.

Interesting as to whether he is technically married to no. 4.

If he runs he will take votes and give Starmer/Labour an excuse for defeat.

Naz Shah who ousted him in Bradford West is the most appalling racist and rape gang apologist

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Matov 18 May 21 8.43am
Originally posted by HKOwen This adds interest. I like George in that he is consistent in his views many of which I don't agree with but some I do. He is the finest British orator of the modern age. Nobody comes close. And much like yourself, I would disagree with him on many things but he is a man I never tire of listening to. And his expose of Tony Blair and his involvement in the murky going on's around what happened to Libya is outstanding. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

18 May 21 8.43am

Originally posted by HKOwen

This adds interest. I like George in that he is consistent in his views many of which I don't agree with but some I do.

He is the finest British orator of the modern age. Nobody comes close. And much like yourself, I would disagree with him on many things but he is a man I never tire of listening to.

And his expose of Tony Blair and his involvement in the murky going on's around what happened to Libya is outstanding.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 May 21 10.25pm
Wouldn't go " finest orator of the modern age ", but, I like his straight forward approach and he is well researched and knowledgeable, not unlike JRM in many ways albeit different views. I think Westminster would be better for having more GG's Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 May 21 10.25pm

Wouldn't go " finest orator of the modern age ", but,
I like his straight forward approach and he is well researched and knowledgeable, not unlike JRM in many ways albeit different views.

I think Westminster would be better for having more GG's

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Spiderman Horsham 20 May 21 8.41am
Originally posted by Matov One of the (many) changes I would like to see is a requirement for all MP's to have been resident in the areas they are trying to represent for a period of say 5 years. I agree. My local MP was Francis Maude ( awful bloke), he moved to the area when elected ( well moved to a mega pad well away from the riffraff). As soon as he stepped down, not seen for dust
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Horsham 20 May 21 8.41am

Originally posted by Matov

One of the (many) changes I would like to see is a requirement for all MP's to have been resident in the areas they are trying to represent for a period of say 5 years.

I agree. My local MP was Francis Maude ( awful bloke), he moved to the area when elected ( well moved to a mega pad well away from the riffraff). As soon as he stepped down, not seen for dust

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Spiderman Horsham 20 May 21 8.42am
Originally posted by HKOwen Wouldn't go " finest orator of the modern age ", but, I like his straight forward approach and he is well researched and knowledgeable, not unlike JRM in many ways albeit different views. I think Westminster would be better for having more GG's PMQs would be worth a watch
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Spiderman

Horsham 20 May 21 8.42am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Wouldn't go " finest orator of the modern age ", but,
I like his straight forward approach and he is well researched and knowledgeable, not unlike JRM in many ways albeit different views.

I think Westminster would be better for having more GG's

PMQs would be worth a watch

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Stirlingsays 20 May 21 9.18am
Originally posted by Matov He is the finest British orator of the modern age. Nobody comes close. And much like yourself, I would disagree with him on many things but he is a man I never tire of listening to. And his expose of Tony Blair and his involvement in the murky going on's around what happened to Libya is outstanding. Agreed. Galloway is mostly a throwback to Foot or Benn. I don't think his politics leads to outcomes I want but I recognise that the beliefs are genuinely held and I have time for that. As a speaker he's up amongst the best of his political generation, maybe the best. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 May 2021 9.21am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 May 21 9.18am

Originally posted by Matov

He is the finest British orator of the modern age. Nobody comes close. And much like yourself, I would disagree with him on many things but he is a man I never tire of listening to.

And his expose of Tony Blair and his involvement in the murky going on's around what happened to Libya is outstanding.

Agreed.

Galloway is mostly a throwback to Foot or Benn. I don't think his politics leads to outcomes I want but I recognise that the beliefs are genuinely held and I have time for that.

As a speaker he's up amongst the best of his political generation, maybe the best.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 May 2021 9.21am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 May 21 9.22am
Originally posted by HKOwen Naz Shah who ousted him in Bradford West is the most appalling racist and rape gang apologist is she the one who told the girl rape victims that they should ''put up and shut-up for the sake of diversity'' ? its interesting when Labour lets the mask slip from time to time. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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PalazioVecchio

south pole 20 May 21 9.22am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Naz Shah who ousted him in Bradford West is the most appalling racist and rape gang apologist

is she the one who told the girl rape victims that they should ''put up and shut-up for the sake of diversity'' ?

its interesting when Labour lets the mask slip from time to time.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Stirlingsays 20 May 21 9.38am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio is she the one who told the girl rape victims that they should ''put up and shut-up for the sake of diversity'' ? its interesting when Labour lets the mask slip from time to time. She liked a tweet that said that, once she received criticism she unliked it. Labour's protective stance towards immigrant communities (which the Tories now support) forms a significant part of why these rapes were allowed to continue for decades. Their activists and anti racism propaganda produced fear in institutions....whose leaders would agree with the activists. Saying it's rapes for votes would be going too far but Labour and now the Tory's obsession over racism led to this outcome. An estimated over seventy grooming gangs still operate in this country. Just how much concern are either party showing in this issue? The victims are left to the wolves. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 May 2021 9.45am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 May 21 9.38am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

is she the one who told the girl rape victims that they should ''put up and shut-up for the sake of diversity'' ?

its interesting when Labour lets the mask slip from time to time.

She liked a tweet that said that, once she received criticism she unliked it.

Labour's protective stance towards immigrant communities (which the Tories now support) forms a significant part of why these rapes were allowed to continue for decades. Their activists and anti racism propaganda produced fear in institutions....whose leaders would agree with the activists.

Saying it's rapes for votes would be going too far but Labour and now the Tory's obsession over racism led to this outcome.

An estimated over seventy grooming gangs still operate in this country. Just how much concern are either party showing in this issue?

The victims are left to the wolves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 May 2021 9.45am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 20 May 21 9.48am
It is a struggle to get interested in by-elections or think that politicians cannot do anything other than make things worse generally. If Starmer loses here he is 'toast' according to the DA. Opening the door for Burnham. So there may well not be a labour revival here, rather a hope that his non-opposition will be gone.
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steeleye20

Croydon 20 May 21 9.48am

It is a struggle to get interested in by-elections or think that politicians cannot do anything other than make things worse generally.

If Starmer loses here he is 'toast' according to the DA.

Opening the door for Burnham.

So there may well not be a labour revival here, rather a hope that his non-opposition will be gone.

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Stirlingsays 20 May 21 10.10am
Burnham, 'Mr Prevent' himself. No doubt that would make Blair very happy. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 May 2021 10.11am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 May 21 10.10am

Burnham, 'Mr Prevent' himself.

No doubt that would make Blair very happy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 May 2021 10.11am)

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