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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 21 8.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I think it’s going to happen with automation. More and more people will be made effectively useless and worthless in what they’re worth to society. I don’t see a great reset or an immediate one, but I can see a gradual squeezing of wealth and opportunities to make wealth or just a decent life, while the elites and huge businesses dominate. The only way to beat that is to go more and more local. And the way for big businesses to beat that is to financially damage those demanding local products and services. So what will they do with government assistance? Amazon etc avoiding almost any tax is quite unbelievable. Unfortunately too many see these changes positively, while forgetting, or ignoring, people who tell them it won’t be what they thought, or it was intended to be so many years and generations in the future, when their families suffer, because that’s what will happen. Removing incentives is doomed. There’s too many stupid people who will accept this or want it so I have no hope for any objections to it. America might be even more tempting to escape the way this country and Europe could be going than I thought. A country that can sustain itself, has all climates the world has to offer, and might just have enough rejection to this evaporation of freedom, choice, opportunity and incentive. Yep automation is a large part of the new reset's technological toolset and will definitely impact the workplace both blue and white collar....though more blue certainly. The narrowing of the individual's self determination has been occurring slowly for some time but with difficult fiscal times ahead it's probably going to increase significantly. In terms of the short term (10 years) I think we are better placed in the UK than most...though where you live in the UK also matters. That said though scandinavian countries and places like Switzerland will probably also be relatively good short term....longer term is obviously harder but I think eastern Europe perhaps....something for the kids to find out. I think America is very much heading down the same negative road. However, the division within the country means that its story isn't played out yet....though it has to be said that this isn't really a left or right thing but more about the direction globalism is heading.
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sprites Auckland 31 Mar 21 8.34pm | |
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I'm not burying my head in the sand. I just don't think you're right. Live life man...stop overthinking everything. Enjoy what little time we have.
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 31 Mar 21 9.45pm | |
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i think no buggers going to pay me cash anymore..
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 21 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think the state is looking to edge towards essentially controlling as much of your life as possible not the other way around. So it isn't about self reliance....actually self reliance is what I'd advise for everyone personally. Not that it's that possible for most. Economic and social surveillance and control....The western form of the Chinese credit system slowly inched in. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2021 7.17pm) You don't half spout a load of codswallop, don't you? In your first post you complain about people who consider these changes a conspiracy theory then in this one you post an obvious conspiracy theory. The State isn't looking to control as much of our lives as possible. That they are, and will continue to be, more involved is true, but that's not because there is some devious secret plan. It's just the way things are developing. It's a consequence and not a reason. The whole world is changing faster than ever before, and we cannot isolate ourselves. China has become more powerful as she was always destined to. Accepting reality and then working within its confines isn't a choice. It's the only option available. Whilst automation will certainly continue to replace some jobs there are many more that cannot be. There is certainly the opportunity for self-reliance if people have the capacity to handle it. Living simply is possible. You just need the right mind set, be fit and well and possess sufficient determination. There are bigger problems than economics going forward. When the ability of the planet to sustain life is in question then a reassessment of priorities seems a wise move.
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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 21 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't half spout a load of codswallop, don't you? In your first post you complain about people who consider these changes a conspiracy theory then in this one you post an obvious conspiracy theory. The State isn't looking to control as much of our lives as possible. That they are, and will continue to be, more involved is true, but that's not because there is some devious secret plan. It's just the way things are developing. It's a consequence and not a reason. The whole world is changing faster than ever before, and we cannot isolate ourselves. China has become more powerful as she was always destined to. Accepting reality and then working within its confines isn't a choice. It's the only option available. Whilst automation will certainly continue to replace some jobs there are many more that cannot be. There is certainly the opportunity for self-reliance if people have the capacity to handle it. Living simply is possible. You just need the right mind set, be fit and well and possess sufficient determination. There are bigger problems than economics going forward. When the ability of the planet to sustain life is in question then a reassessment of priorities seems a wise move. Feck off pillock.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 21 10.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Feck off pillock. Is that another alt right phrase you have picked up from a dodgy web forum or video, like "snowflake", "normie" or "woke"? Or is it just plain old ignorance?
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 31 Mar 21 11.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Is that another alt right phrase you have picked up from a dodgy web forum or video, like "snowflake", "normie" or "woke"? Or is it just plain old ignorance? Ignorance is forbidden by Big Brother.
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Stirlingsays 31 Mar 21 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Is that another alt right phrase you have picked up from a dodgy web forum or video, like "snowflake", "normie" or "woke"? Or is it just plain old ignorance? I have zero time for you as a poster. Feck off you troll.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Apr 21 12.04am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Nah I don't think that's true. The issues are that 'jobs' have to be valued in any knowledge or ability level. Its all about being non reliant on the state during our working age lives. Be proud to have a job and thats important for self respect and should not be devalued to how clever or well off you are. Sadly kids being forced to school till 18 hasn't helped as some and I would say a big some are not academic at all and that's blatantly obvious by exam results from 6th form. They dont care and just want to work and earn a shilling. I’m not talking about now. Automation and AI will eventually take care of most high volume low level, low paid jobs. At that point all you’re left with are people managing said automation and AI, and developing it. More specialist roles for the Well educated, well off. Plus the tech industry pulling all the strings for the government as they dole out universal credit checks en masse each month. Dependency will become the norm.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Apr 21 12.13am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I think it’s going to happen with automation. More and more people will be made effectively useless and worthless in what they’re worth to society. I don’t see a great reset or an immediate one, but I can see a gradual squeezing of wealth and opportunities to make wealth or just a decent life, while the elites and huge businesses dominate. The only way to beat that is to go more and more local. And the way for big businesses to beat that is to financially damage those demanding local products and services. So what will they do with government assistance? Amazon etc avoiding almost any tax is quite unbelievable. Unfortunately too many see these changes positively, while forgetting, or ignoring, people who tell them it won’t be what they thought, or it was intended to be so many years and generations in the future, when their families suffer, because that’s what will happen. Removing incentives is doomed. There’s too many stupid people who will accept this or want it so I have no hope for any objections to it. America might be even more tempting to escape the way this country and Europe could be going than I thought. A country that can sustain itself, has all climates the world has to offer, and might just have enough rejection to this evaporation of freedom, choice, opportunity and incentive. This. Also don’t agree with the sensationalist terminology of the ‘great reset’ and also I don’t think the term was coined to represent any of what is being discussed here as it’s long term change. A futurist has probably created a term for it but I’ll just go with the not very snappy age of automation and AGI - followed by cognitive robotics and maybe, or maybe not, sentience and ASI. Although ASI might mean employment becomes the least of our worries.
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Stirlingsays 01 Apr 21 12.28am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
This. Also don’t agree with the sensationalist terminology of the ‘great reset’ and also I don’t think the term was coined to represent any of what is being discussed here as it’s long term change. A futurist has probably created a term for it but I’ll just go with the not very snappy age of automation and AGI - followed by cognitive robotics and maybe, or maybe not, sentience and ASI. Although ASI might mean employment becomes the least of our worries. It came out of the WEF (World economic forum), which as you know is attended by all the Davos movers and was also described as the next industrial revolution. But it doesn't really matter what it is called really. I agree with you on automation but I think its impact on jobs will take a while yet. While AI is moving a pace the technology isn't there on safety and reliability in terms of replacing humans.....then you have take up time and industrial transition. I'll go out on a limb and say that it doesn't make any serious impact on jobs before 2030. However, unless something gets in the way, I'd expect the other aspects on the reset to be well underway due to economics. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Apr 2021 12.30am)
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Teddy Eagle 01 Apr 21 12.33am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I’m not talking about now. Automation and AI will eventually take care of most high volume low level, low paid jobs. At that point all you’re left with are people managing said automation and AI, and developing it. More specialist roles for the Well educated, well off. Plus the tech industry pulling all the strings for the government as they dole out universal credit checks en masse each month. Dependency will become the norm. I think this is true. Honda developed their robot “Asimo” which could effectively replace waiters and check-out staff as well as lots of other jobs.
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