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Teddy Eagle 24 Mar 21 12.42pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 A simple answer to this would be, if you called me a c*, you may be right, may be wrong (probably right), but that's subject to your opinion. If you called me a black c, you've attached race to it and it can be interpretted as racism. If the abuse Fred received was directed at his race and not him being a dogs** footballer, then there is valid claim to racism. Yes, that’s true but still doesn’t explain why the racial element automatically makes it a far more serious situation. Three times in a year my wife was called a white bitch in east London, once in front of a policeman in a shop . He shrugged and said there was nothing he could do about it. I’m all for racial equality but it doesn’t seem to be reciprocal.
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Teddy Eagle

24 Mar 21 12.42pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A simple answer to this would be, if you called me a c***, you may be right, may be wrong (probably right), but that's subject to your opinion. If you called me a black c***, you've attached race to it and it can be interpretted as racism.

If the abuse Fred received was directed at his race and not him being a dogs*** footballer, then there is valid claim to racism.

Yes, that’s true but still doesn’t explain why the racial element automatically makes it a far more serious situation.
Three times in a year my wife was called a white bitch in east London, once in front of a policeman in a shop . He shrugged and said there was nothing he could do about it. I’m all for racial equality but it doesn’t seem to be reciprocal.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 21 12.48pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 A simple answer to this would be, if you called me a c*, you may be right, may be wrong (probably right), but that's subject to your opinion. If you called me a black c, you've attached race to it and it can be interpretted as racism. If the abuse Fred received was directed at his race and not him being a dogs** footballer, then there is valid claim to racism. The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response. It's not rocket science. By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning. The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group. Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism. Calling people names? Give me a break.
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24 Mar 21 12.48pm

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Originally posted by madcap_v2

If the abuse Fred received was directed at his race and not him being a dogs*** footballer, then there is valid claim to racism.

The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response.

It's not rocket science.

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group.
Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism.

Calling people names? Give me a break.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 24 Mar 21 12.49pm
As a relatively new participant on here I just had a browse at some old posts out of curiosity. You've certainly had some fun in the past! But there was a thread started in 2002 titled 'Is it racist to....' very similar to this, sorry about that, but interesting comments made on that thread too. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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As a relatively new participant on here I just had a browse at some old posts out of curiosity. You've certainly had some fun in the past!

But there was a thread started in 2002 titled 'Is it racist to....' very similar to this, sorry about that, but interesting comments made on that thread too.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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The Dolphin 24 Mar 21 12.59pm
By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning. Absolutely right Hrolf - spot on. All of the crap that surrounds racism and other issue only goes to take away from the serious issues which actually do exist and that need dealing with. People yelling "racist" for no good reason turns it into the cry wolf scenario. A real shame but these unintelligent idiots can't stope themselves. Real racism needs dealing with 100%!
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The Dolphin

24 Mar 21 12.59pm

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

Absolutely right Hrolf - spot on.
All of the crap that surrounds racism and other issue only goes to take away from the serious issues which actually do exist and that need dealing with.
People yelling "racist" for no good reason turns it into the cry wolf scenario.
A real shame but these unintelligent idiots can't stope themselves.
Real racism needs dealing with 100%!

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 24 Mar 21 1.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response. It's not rocket science. By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning. The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group. Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism. Calling people names? Give me a break. I was answering in the context of the original post, dear. La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 24 Mar 21 1.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response.

It's not rocket science.

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

Calling people names? Give me a break.

I was answering in the context of the original post, dear.

La la la your mum

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 21 1.03pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I was answering in the context of the original post, dear. Yeah, but the subject needs expanding....darling.
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Mar 21 1.03pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I was answering in the context of the original post, dear.

Yeah, but the subject needs expanding....darling.

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cryrst The garden of England 24 Mar 21 1.20pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I was answering in the context of the original post, dear. But did it involve a colour. I suspect one may have maybe but that doesn't give Fred the right to associate genuine posts suggesting he performed badly as racist. Its the old all Muslims are terrorist analogy. Or are black people above criticism in all there formats just because they are black? Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 1.21pm) Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 1.23pm)
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The garden of England 24 Mar 21 1.20pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I was answering in the context of the original post, dear.

But did it involve a colour. I suspect one may have maybe but that doesn't give Fred the right to associate genuine posts suggesting he performed badly as racist. Its the old all Muslims are terrorist analogy.
Or are black people above criticism in all there formats just because they are black?
Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 1.21pm)

Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 1.23pm)

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Belmont 24 Mar 21 2.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response. It's not rocket science. By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning. The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group. Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism. Calling people names? Give me a break. This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?
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Belmont

24 Mar 21 2.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response.

It's not rocket science.

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

Calling people names? Give me a break.

This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Mar 21 2.40pm
Originally posted by Belmont This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word? I doubt it. Why us it OK for some to use it though - and not others? Another example - drill music extolling stabbings, why is that fine? Imagine a white person made that music - would that be fine? A lot of these complaints are because of 'one rule for one, another rule for another'. That's not equality, that's a power game. Now, I would agree that there has been a lot of historic racism. But that does not excuse what's happening now. Even if racism was all pervasive, as Sky Sports News wants us to believe - are there not actually far more pressing problems for us all? Or even much more pressing problems for black people that are just getting side-lined due to the constant need to find racism, if you want to categorise by colour? My own take is housing, health and crime should take much more priority than racism. Perhaps I'm wrong. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Mar 21 2.40pm

Originally posted by Belmont

This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?

I doubt it. Why us it OK for some to use it though - and not others?
Another example - drill music extolling stabbings, why is that fine? Imagine a white person made that music - would that be fine?
A lot of these complaints are because of 'one rule for one, another rule for another'. That's not equality, that's a power game.
Now, I would agree that there has been a lot of historic racism. But that does not excuse what's happening now. Even if racism was all pervasive, as Sky Sports News wants us to believe - are there not actually far more pressing problems for us all? Or even much more pressing problems for black people that are just getting side-lined due to the constant need to find racism, if you want to categorise by colour?
My own take is housing, health and crime should take much more priority than racism. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Red and Blue Army!

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 21 2.47pm
Originally posted by Belmont This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word? No. I have no desire to insult people needlessly. That doesn't mean that other people don't take great delight in doing so, or that the victims overreact thus allowing the culprit to achieve their goal.
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Mar 21 2.47pm

Originally posted by Belmont

This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?

No. I have no desire to insult people needlessly.

That doesn't mean that other people don't take great delight in doing so, or that the victims overreact thus allowing the culprit to achieve their goal.

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Belmont 24 Mar 21 2.47pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I doubt it. Why us it OK for some to use it though - and not others? Another example - drill music extolling stabbings, why is that fine? Imagine a white person made that music - would that be fine? A lot of these complaints are because of 'one rule for one, another rule for another'. That's not equality, that's a power game. Now, I would agree that there has been a lot of historic racism. But that does not excuse what's happening now. Even if racism was all pervasive, as Sky Sports News wants us to believe - are there not actually far more pressing problems for us all? Or even much more pressing problems for black people that are just getting side-lined due to the constant need to find racism, if you want to categorise by colour? My own take is housing, health and crime should take much more priority than racism. Perhaps I'm wrong. My point was really was there are certain words that you just can't dumb down to just a word and personally I don't and wouldn't use it under any circumstances even though I'm seen as someone who is "allowed to" because of my parentage.
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Belmont

24 Mar 21 2.47pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

My point was really was there are certain words that you just can't dumb down to just a word and personally I don't and wouldn't use it under any circumstances even though I'm seen as someone who is "allowed to" because of my parentage.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 21 2.51pm
Originally posted by Belmont My point was really was there are certain words that you just can't dumb down to just a word and personally I don't and wouldn't use it under any circumstances even though I'm seen as someone who is "allowed to" because of my parentage. I don't agree. All words are just words. The power of a word is what we assign to it. It is a personal choice.
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Mar 21 2.51pm

Originally posted by Belmont

I don't agree. All words are just words. The power of a word is what we assign to it. It is a personal choice.

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