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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Mar 21 9.24pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, because voting for Labour, who hate them, is such a better option for them. Its not that they should vote labour or anyone else, its more they should be calling out the eton boys stealing all the ppe shekles, but they dont, thats the shame. Imagine if corbyn had got in, and did the same with the ppe, do you think they wouldn"t be a tad angry?
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Any european country i fancy! 23 Mar 21 9.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, because voting for Labour, who hate them, is such a better option for them.

Its not that they should vote labour or anyone else, its more they should be calling out the eton boys stealing all the ppe shekles, but they dont, thats the shame. Imagine if corbyn had got in, and did the same with the ppe, do you think they wouldn"t be a tad angry?

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cryrst The garden of England 24 Mar 21 5.09am
Originally posted by croydon proud Its not that they should vote labour or anyone else, its more they should be calling out the eton boys stealing all the ppe shekles, but they dont, thats the shame. Imagine if corbyn had got in, and did the same with the ppe, do you think they wouldn"t be a tad angry? Your rattling on about less than 2% of what this has cost. How have you been affected by that investment? I beleive you and your mother got a jab which should protect you. Why not have a moan about the tory early investment in vaccines which 'could' have gone badly wrong financially. Because the ppe investment didn't go smoothly or how you feel it should or shouldn't have gone and to whom is a massive headache to you for some reason. Get over it,lives were invariably saved because of the ppe investment, does that not make it worth it?
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The garden of England 24 Mar 21 5.09am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Your rattling on about less than 2% of what this has cost. How have you been affected by that investment?
I beleive you and your mother got a jab which should protect you.
Why not have a moan about the tory early investment in vaccines which 'could' have gone badly wrong financially. Because the ppe investment didn't go smoothly or how you feel it should or shouldn't have gone and to whom is a massive headache to you for some reason. Get over it,lives were invariably saved because of the ppe investment, does that not make it worth it?

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 21 8.26am
Originally posted by croydon proud Its not that they should vote labour or anyone else, its more they should be calling out the eton boys stealing all the ppe shekles, but they dont, thats the shame. Imagine if corbyn had got in, and did the same with the ppe, do you think they wouldn"t be a tad angry? You keep going on about Eton and how the wealthy get the best positions and access to all the advantages. Yeah ok, I get it....but it's constant, you can't change the record. A question could be don't you think you're being a bit unrealistic? What's the alterative? Whatever system is created the people at the top will abuse it....power and money corrupts. That's how it works. Left/right it makes no difference. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

24 Mar 21 8.26am

Originally posted by croydon proud

You keep going on about Eton and how the wealthy get the best positions and access to all the advantages.

Yeah ok, I get it....but it's constant, you can't change the record. A question could be don't you think you're being a bit unrealistic?

What's the alterative?

Whatever system is created the people at the top will abuse it....power and money corrupts. That's how it works. Left/right it makes no difference.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Mar 21 9.40am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You keep going on about Eton and how the wealthy get the best positions and access to all the advantages. Yeah ok, I get it....but it's constant, you can't change the record. A question could be don't you think you're being a bit unrealistic? What's the alterative? Whatever system is created the people at the top will abuse it....power and money corrupts. That's how it works. Left/right it makes no difference. I have a friend who is married to a Cuban woman. She has a large nice apartment in Havana and a car and travels abroad. She is quite high up in the Communist Party and is basically an MP / delegate. In other words she is part of the elite the ordinary Cubans do not have her luxury lifestyle. One more point
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Beckenham 24 Mar 21 9.40am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You keep going on about Eton and how the wealthy get the best positions and access to all the advantages.

Yeah ok, I get it....but it's constant, you can't change the record. A question could be don't you think you're being a bit unrealistic?

What's the alterative?

Whatever system is created the people at the top will abuse it....power and money corrupts. That's how it works. Left/right it makes no difference.

I have a friend who is married to a Cuban woman. She has a large nice apartment in Havana and a car and travels abroad. She is quite high up in the Communist Party and is basically an MP / delegate.

In other words she is part of the elite the ordinary Cubans do not have her luxury lifestyle.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 21 9.57am
Originally posted by Badger11 I have a friend who is married to a Cuban woman. She has a large nice apartment in Havana and a car and travels abroad. She is quite high up in the Communist Party and is basically an MP / delegate. In other words she is part of the elite the ordinary Cubans do not have her luxury lifestyle. Yep and her kids would go to the best schools and I bet the Cubans in relative poverty....which would be most in a communist system....look at her and moan about it. But being communism if they were overheard or told on they will get beaten up and throw in jail for the privilage. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 9.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 21 9.57am

Originally posted by Badger11

I have a friend who is married to a Cuban woman. She has a large nice apartment in Havana and a car and travels abroad. She is quite high up in the Communist Party and is basically an MP / delegate.

In other words she is part of the elite the ordinary Cubans do not have her luxury lifestyle.

Yep and her kids would go to the best schools and I bet the Cubans in relative poverty....which would be most in a communist system....look at her and moan about it.

But being communism if they were overheard or told on they will get beaten up and throw in jail for the privilage.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 9.58am)

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 21 10.20am
Instead of complaining about inequalities in human society that have always existed and will continue to exist within any system ever we should focus upon what's actually better for us and achievable. The number one concern within society should be the reduction of corruption and the maximization of meritocracy. If we want the best standard of living for the least able within society, which is those with the least going for them, then only a meritocratic system has any chance of affording their safety net. We should be uncompromising on meritocracy. You should demand that only the brightest minds get the most important jobs and have systems in place that only reward competence......Otherwise to use a metaphor, a day might come that we walk a bridge that comes tumbling down around us.....because the person who designed it wasn't the very best available. It's no different to demanding the best players in your team means you're more likely to win your matches.....tokenism for whatever reason means you're eventually getting relegated. Any politics or ideology that reduces meritocracy for 'social justice' or any other BS stores up trouble for the future and gives a step up to competing nations. Capitalism gives the best incentives for meritocracy but it suffers from corruption and cronyism which weaken it. So Eton should exist.....and it should only have the best minds within it independent of wealth or 'justice'. It should only have IQ access....though we know that wealth will buy the best advantages. The far bigger problem is that our society is moving further away from meritocracy not closer and that's a disaster. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 10.31am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 21 10.20am

Instead of complaining about inequalities in human society that have always existed and will continue to exist within any system ever we should focus upon what's actually better for us and achievable.

The number one concern within society should be the reduction of corruption and the maximization of meritocracy.

If we want the best standard of living for the least able within society, which is those with the least going for them, then only a meritocratic system has any chance of affording their safety net.

We should be uncompromising on meritocracy. You should demand that only the brightest minds get the most important jobs and have systems in place that only reward competence......Otherwise to use a metaphor, a day might come that we walk a bridge that comes tumbling down around us.....because the person who designed it wasn't the very best available.

It's no different to demanding the best players in your team means you're more likely to win your matches.....tokenism for whatever reason means you're eventually getting relegated.

Any politics or ideology that reduces meritocracy for 'social justice' or any other BS stores up trouble for the future and gives a step up to competing nations.

Capitalism gives the best incentives for meritocracy but it suffers from corruption and cronyism which weaken it.

So Eton should exist.....and it should only have the best minds within it independent of wealth or 'justice'. It should only have IQ access....though we know that wealth will buy the best advantages.

The far bigger problem is that our society is moving further away from meritocracy not closer and that's a disaster.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 10.31am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Eaglecoops CR3 24 Mar 21 10.37am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Instead of complaining about inequalities in human society that have always existed and will continue to exist within any system ever we should focus upon what's actually better for us and achievable. The number one concern within society should be the reduction of corruption and the maximization of meritocracy. If we want the best standard of living for the least able within society, which is those with the least going for them, then only a meritocratic system has any chance of affording their safety net. We should be uncompromising on meritocracy. You should demand that only the brightest minds get the most important jobs and have systems in place that only reward competence......Otherwise to use a metaphor, a day might come that we walk a bridge that comes tumbling down around us.....because the person who designed it wasn't the very best available. It's no different to demanding the best players in your team means you're more likely to win your matches.....tokenism for whatever reason means you're eventually getting relegated. Any politics or ideology that reduces meritocracy for 'social justice' or any other BS stores up trouble for the future and gives a step up to competing nations. Capitalism gives the best incentives for meritocracy but it suffers from corruption and cronyism which weaken it. So Eton should exist.....and it should only have the best minds within it independent of wealth or 'justice'. It should only have IQ access....though we know that wealth will buy the best advantages. The far bigger problem is that our society is moving further away from meritocracy not closer and that's a disaster. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 10.31am) In a nutshell, pretty much how I see it. If everything was truly based on meritocracy then all the idiots from both the top (there by wealth alone) and the bottom (given jobs to tick boxes), will be left out and those who deserve will be in place.
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CR3 24 Mar 21 10.37am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The number one concern within society should be the reduction of corruption and the maximization of meritocracy.

If we want the best standard of living for the least able within society, which is those with the least going for them, then only a meritocratic system has any chance of affording their safety net.

It's no different to demanding the best players in your team means you're more likely to win your matches.....tokenism for whatever reason means you're eventually getting relegated.

Any politics or ideology that reduces meritocracy for 'social justice' or any other BS stores up trouble for the future and gives a step up to competing nations.

Capitalism gives the best incentives for meritocracy but it suffers from corruption and cronyism which weaken it.

So Eton should exist.....and it should only have the best minds within it independent of wealth or 'justice'. It should only have IQ access....though we know that wealth will buy the best advantages.

The far bigger problem is that our society is moving further away from meritocracy not closer and that's a disaster.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 10.31am)

In a nutshell, pretty much how I see it. If everything was truly based on meritocracy then all the idiots from both the top (there by wealth alone) and the bottom (given jobs to tick boxes), will be left out and those who deserve will be in place.

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 21 10.55am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops In a nutshell, pretty much how I see it. If everything was truly based on meritocracy then all the idiots from both the top (there by wealth alone) and the bottom (given jobs to tick boxes), will be left out and those who deserve will be in place. Agreed. Our problem is that the elites want to shape the system to control it and insulate them from failure and the 'progressives' want impossible utopias based upon 'equality'. They are both disfigurements. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 21 10.55am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Agreed.

Our problem is that the elites want to shape the system to control it and insulate them from failure and the 'progressives' want impossible utopias based upon 'equality'.

They are both disfigurements.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 24 Mar 21 11.44am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Instead of complaining about inequalities in human society that have always existed and will continue to exist within any system ever we should focus upon what's actually better for us and achievable. The number one concern within society should be the reduction of corruption and the maximization of meritocracy. If we want the best standard of living for the least able within society, which is those with the least going for them, then only a meritocratic system has any chance of affording their safety net. We should be uncompromising on meritocracy. You should demand that only the brightest minds get the most important jobs and have systems in place that only reward competence......Otherwise to use a metaphor, a day might come that we walk a bridge that comes tumbling down around us.....because the person who designed it wasn't the very best available. It's no different to demanding the best players in your team means you're more likely to win your matches.....tokenism for whatever reason means you're eventually getting relegated. Any politics or ideology that reduces meritocracy for 'social justice' or any other BS stores up trouble for the future and gives a step up to competing nations. Capitalism gives the best incentives for meritocracy but it suffers from corruption and cronyism which weaken it. So Eton should exist.....and it should only have the best minds within it independent of wealth or 'justice'. It should only have IQ access....though we know that wealth will buy the best advantages. The far bigger problem is that our society is moving further away from meritocracy not closer and that's a disaster. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 10.31am) Uncompromising on meritocracy but only if they’re from certain European countries.
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DanH

SW2 24 Mar 21 11.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The number one concern within society should be the reduction of corruption and the maximization of meritocracy.

If we want the best standard of living for the least able within society, which is those with the least going for them, then only a meritocratic system has any chance of affording their safety net.

It's no different to demanding the best players in your team means you're more likely to win your matches.....tokenism for whatever reason means you're eventually getting relegated.

Any politics or ideology that reduces meritocracy for 'social justice' or any other BS stores up trouble for the future and gives a step up to competing nations.

Capitalism gives the best incentives for meritocracy but it suffers from corruption and cronyism which weaken it.

So Eton should exist.....and it should only have the best minds within it independent of wealth or 'justice'. It should only have IQ access....though we know that wealth will buy the best advantages.

The far bigger problem is that our society is moving further away from meritocracy not closer and that's a disaster.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2021 10.31am)

Uncompromising on meritocracy but only if they’re from certain European countries.

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cryrst The garden of England 24 Mar 21 12.07pm
Originally posted by DanH Uncompromising on meritocracy but only if they’re from certain European countries. Bit racist! If you have an issue with blacks then say it. Dont hide behind a post and make out you actually care!
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cryrst

The garden of England 24 Mar 21 12.07pm

Originally posted by DanH

Uncompromising on meritocracy but only if they’re from certain European countries.

Bit racist! If you have an issue with blacks then say it. Dont hide behind a post and make out you actually care!

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DanH SW2 24 Mar 21 12.13pm
Originally posted by cryrst Bit racist! If you have an issue with blacks then say it. Dont hide behind a post and make out you actually care!
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DanH

SW2 24 Mar 21 12.13pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Bit racist! If you have an issue with blacks then say it. Dont hide behind a post and make out you actually care!