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Teddy Eagle 26 Nov 20 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Interesting, but how do you explain Switzerland being third, above Germany? Doesn’t explain Switzerland but Italy, France and Belgium are also in the top 10 exporters.
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Spiderman Horsham 26 Nov 20 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
When UK Foreign Aid goes to China and India and to prop-up some corrupt regimes around the world is it any wonder that nearly 70% of Britons want the budget cut. I think this is the biggest issue. Haven’t India actually said they don’t want it? Both countries mentioned have their own space programmes but abject amount of poverty. Priorities not high on their agendas
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davenotamonkey 26 Nov 20 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Interesting, but how do you explain Switzerland being third, above Germany? Nestle is Swiss. Nestle produces Nespresso. Import of low volumes of coffee, very high markup. I don't know what data you're referring to, but I imagine it refers to $$ export, not volume. Germany *imports* around 4x that of Switzerland in raw coffee by volume, but in $$ export value, Switzerland recieves about 75% more than Germany. The Swiss take a little of a material, produce a highly desirable product with a high market cost and successfully exports it. That's pretty much the MO of Switzerland generally. It also doesn't rely on dirt-poor countries devaluing it's currency to aid with exports. Nice that the Swiss also keep their factories in-house rather than exploiting the... ahem... "level playing field" of dirt-cheap EU labour in Eastern Europe.
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davenotamonkey 26 Nov 20 9.58am | |
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For context: All the so-called "Conservatives" losing their s*** about dropping our foreign aid budget by £4b. We just quetly handed the EU 25% of that amount for the crime of beating our economic growth records last year. Were it not for the utter spinelessness of our government, Boris should have presented them a choice: Hand over that money to the EU and cut the budget. By that amount twice to recover the cost. Keep the budget, tell the EU to f*** off and use it for rebuilding OUR country, instead of the EU's wannabe superstate. Point being: we hand money over to the likes of India, to the tune of £1b, in the hope they will favour us when it comes to big procurements. Bribery essentially. The Indians then snub us for France, as per (among other examples) Dassault Rafale vs. BAE Systems. Waste of money - we have plenty of corrupt causes in the UK we can funnel this cash into (anyone remember "Kids Company"?). Who knows, some, just *some* of it might even trickle through to benefit the UK taxpayer.
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DanH SW2 26 Nov 20 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Nestle is Swiss. Nestle produces Nespresso. Import of low volumes of coffee, very high markup. I don't know what data you're referring to, but I imagine it refers to $$ export, not volume. Germany *imports* around 4x that of Switzerland in raw coffee by volume, but in $$ export value, Switzerland recieves about 75% more than Germany. The Swiss take a little of a material, produce a highly desirable product with a high market cost and successfully exports it. That's pretty much the MO of Switzerland generally. It also doesn't rely on dirt-poor countries devaluing it's currency to aid with exports. Nice that the Swiss also keep their factories in-house rather than exploiting the... ahem... "level playing field" of dirt-cheap EU labour in Eastern Europe. Ah, Nestlé makes sense.
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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 20 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
For context: All the so-called "Conservatives" losing their s*** about dropping our foreign aid budget by £4b. We just quetly handed the EU 25% of that amount for the crime of beating our economic growth records last year. Were it not for the utter spinelessness of our government, Boris should have presented them a choice: Hand over that money to the EU and cut the budget. By that amount twice to recover the cost. Keep the budget, tell the EU to f*** off and use it for rebuilding OUR country, instead of the EU's wannabe superstate. Point being: we hand money over to the likes of India, to the tune of £1b, in the hope they will favour us when it comes to big procurements. Bribery essentially. The Indians then snub us for France, as per (among other examples) Dassault Rafale vs. BAE Systems. Waste of money - we have plenty of corrupt causes in the UK we can funnel this cash into (anyone remember "Kids Company"?). Who knows, some, just *some* of it might even trickle through to benefit the UK taxpayer. They are legion and cause celebres that are corrupt as hell but mostly untouched due to ideology. I recall Erin Pizzey talking about how lies were used to overly increase funding and are used to maintain funding into women's groups....which she thinks is now an income industry instead of a legitimate reaction to domestic abuse. The same is true for the diversity industry and so on. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2020 10.15am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Nov 20 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Previous PMs Tory and Labour, are weighing in against this, and they ought to know what they are taking about. The UK shooting itself in the foot for no benefit is a sign of the times.
Is the right answer. Not that will stop the criticism of course. I heard one of the past ministers suggest last night that this could cost the lives of 100,000 children due to poverty. Emotional overstatement perhaps but this has consequences. When the actual saving is so cosmetically small the damage done to our reputation just when we need to be building it is mind-blowingly inept. This is simply pandering to the new Tory voters in the north. The description I also heard yesterday of it being "Trump-lite" in approach seems justified. Daft to go the Trump route just when the Biden one is available.
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Nov 20 10.39am | |
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Sir Humphrey said that the government gives aid money so the taxpayers can feel good about themselves. A cynical statement but probably has a grain of truth. The foreign aid budget is beloved of the virtue signallers who are no doubt out in force today (cue Gary unless the BBC has muzzled him). As I said previously it doesn't work, if it did I would be happy to support it.
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DanH SW2 26 Nov 20 10.40am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Is the right answer. Not that will stop the criticism of course. I heard one of the past ministers suggest last night that this could cost the lives of 100,000 children due to poverty. Emotional overstatement perhaps but this has consequences. When the actual saving is so cosmetically small the damage done to our reputation just when we need to be building it is mind-blowingly inept. This is simply pandering to the new Tory voters in the north. The description I also heard yesterday of it being "Trump-lite" in approach seems justified. Daft to go the Trump route just when the Biden one is available. I find it strange as well that they feel it's required when it's tied to a % of GDP. This means the amount automatically reduces when GDP does and we are not proportionally worse off in any sense. It does feel like a purely political move to appease the right of the support.
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AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 26 Nov 20 11.07am | |
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Here we go, lets use the term virtue signalling instead of what it represents, ie an attempt to show that you are a good person. Someone who has compassion perhaps. I fully appreciate that this is due to the insular, mean and xenophobic territory which we now inhabit. It is ironic that it also may increase immigration as well. Again, we have no money, (still one of the richest countries in the world) but lets not make too much of a song and dance about it, lets spend it on MP's mates to waste on non existent/useless PPE contracts, funny how so many are so blind to this.
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chris123 hove actually 26 Nov 20 11.09am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Sir Humphrey said that the government gives aid money so the taxpayers can feel good about themselves. A cynical statement but probably has a grain of truth. The foreign aid budget is beloved of the virtue signallers who are no doubt out in force today (cue Gary unless the BBC has muzzled him). As I said previously it doesn't work, if it did I would be happy to support it. I think 0.7% is a UN target for spending on overseas aid.
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Nov 20 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by AuntyAnne70
Here we go, lets use the term virtue signalling instead of what it represents, ie an attempt to show that you are a good person. Someone who has compassion perhaps. I fully appreciate that this is due to the insular, mean and xenophobic territory which we now inhabit. It is ironic that it also may increase immigration as well. Again, we have no money, (still one of the richest countries in the world) but lets not make too much of a song and dance about it, lets spend it on MP's mates to waste on non existent/useless PPE contracts, funny how so many are so blind to this. Not at all happy to see MPs and others in the dock if they have broken the law. We have spent billions and still people are in poverty. They're others ways of helping people such a trade deal, providing expertise and training etc. And definitely practical help for disasters.
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