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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 22 Nov 20 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
A nod to an earlier correspondent?
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cryrst The garden of England 23 Nov 20 10.49am | |
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Originally posted by stuckinbristol
Is it a good time to buy? Tux was correct then.
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Joseph Paxton Lancing 24 Nov 20 9.54pm | |
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A guy I really trust on finance and tax dodging and corporate irresponsibility, @nickshaxon: "Don't dive into the latest Bitcoin rally. Just don't. It's gambling mixed with crime mixed with Ponzi."
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the.universal 24 Nov 20 10.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Joseph Paxton
A guy I really trust on finance and tax dodging and corporate irresponsibility, @nickshaxon: "Don't dive into the latest Bitcoin rally. Just don't. It's gambling mixed with crime mixed with Ponzi." f*** me, that’s more than a rally! Who has the nerve to hold for more gains before the inevitable splash down? I do miss TUX, bet he’s having a field day.
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chris123 hove actually 25 Nov 20 8.09am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
f*** me, that’s more than a rally! Who has the nerve to hold for more gains before the inevitable splash down? I do miss TUX, bet he’s having a field day. He was a litecoin man from memory.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Nov 20 8.44am | |
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bitcoin may or may not be dodgy...and run by crooks. but the Dollar, the Euro , Sterling....are as dodgy as as a bling-wearing second-hand car dealer from Nelson Mandela Flats, Peckham.
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the.universal 25 Nov 20 9.09am | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
bitcoin may or may not be dodgy...and run by crooks. but the Dollar, the Euro , Sterling....are as dodgy as as a bling-wearing second-hand car dealer from Nelson Mandela Flats, Peckham. I’ve heard other people say this last sentence, but I still don’t understand why. Can you help, give me a few reasons why this is. Think of explaining it to a nine year old :0)
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PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Nov 20 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
I’ve heard other people say this last sentence, but I still don’t understand why. Can you help, give me a few reasons why this is. Think of explaining it to a nine year old :0) If a scumbag prints a ten quid note, he goes to jail. We all work and earn money, or sell valuable stuff we own. Governments make money out of thin air. Mugabe's Zimbabwe is a lesson for all.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Nov 20 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
I’ve heard other people say this last sentence, but I still don’t understand why. Can you help, give me a few reasons why this is. Think of explaining it to a nine year old :0) If a scumbag prints a ten quid note, he goes to jail. We all work and earn money, or sell valuable stuff we own. Governments make money out of thin air. Mugabe's Zimbabwe is a lesson for all.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 25 Nov 20 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Tux was correct then. Correct about what, exactly? His modus operandi was that bitcoin (or more specifically lite coin) as an unregulated off book currency will eventually become the defacto method of financial exchange, bypassing the 'elite' system of governance and creating a happy utopia where everyone trades like one small rural village, in total harmony. I've said it before, and will say it again, this is a complete nonsense. If you actually look into who is holding bitcoin and why, you get to the following points • A very small amount of people own a very large amount of bitcoin (Now where have I heard that before I wonder) • Almost all people who own bitcoin do not spend bitcoin. It is almost exclusively an investment purchase, which is unusual for a 'currency' that is supposed to be bypassing existing methods of 'control'. Why would you want to spend something that has the potential to massively lose or gain value at any moment? • At some point, governments will create blockchain versions of existing fiat currency (CBDCs), digital fiat, and that will then become the regulated system that is used. At that point, it is likely that unregulated coins and other exchange systems will be blacklisted or banned. Anyone who thinks an unregulated payment structure is going to usurp government run fiat currency is deluded. It's an utopian viewpoint that echoes that of some people in the early days of the internet, and that didn't exactly work out to plan did it?
Why are Paypal getting into this space? It is not clear yet. But I doubt it's because they share the same utopian ideals as bitcoin devotees. It's a play to monetise and regulate at a commercial level, even if it's only to make money out of exchange fees (ironic). China are also cracking down on miners and making it harder to convert bitcoin into Yuan so this is also likely to be reducing the amount of BTC in circulation, and driving up prices. Am I invested in bitcoin? Yes, as I got in reasonably early and have enough to make a small but useful profit in the future. Do I think it will reach high levels at some stage, like 100k or more? Quite likely, as the more average joes invest in it the larger and more aggressive the swings in value will become. The hard part will be timing the sale.
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Badger11 Beckenham 25 Nov 20 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Correct about what, exactly? His modus operandi was that bitcoin (or more specifically lite coin) as an unregulated off book currency will eventually become the defacto method of financial exchange, bypassing the 'elite' system of governance and creating a happy utopia where everyone trades like one small rural village, in total harmony. I've said it before, and will say it again, this is a complete nonsense. If you actually look into who is holding bitcoin and why, you get to the following points • A very small amount of people own a very large amount of bitcoin (Now where have I heard that before I wonder) • Almost all people who own bitcoin do not spend bitcoin. It is almost exclusively an investment purchase, which is unusual for a 'currency' that is supposed to be bypassing existing methods of 'control'. Why would you want to spend something that has the potential to massively lose or gain value at any moment? • At some point, governments will create blockchain versions of existing fiat currency (CBDCs), digital fiat, and that will then become the regulated system that is used. At that point, it is likely that unregulated coins and other exchange systems will be blacklisted or banned. Anyone who thinks an unregulated payment structure is going to usurp government run fiat currency is deluded. It's an utopian viewpoint that echoes that of some people in the early days of the internet, and that didn't exactly work out to plan did it?
Why are Paypal getting into this space? It is not clear yet. But I doubt it's because they share the same utopian ideals as bitcoin devotees. It's a play to monetise and regulate at a commercial level, even if it's only to make money out of exchange fees (ironic). China are also cracking down on miners and making it harder to convert bitcoin into Yuan so this is also likely to be reducing the amount of BTC in circulation, and driving up prices. Am I invested in bitcoin? Yes, as I got in reasonably early and have enough to make a small but useful profit in the future. Do I think it will reach high levels at some stage, like 100k or more? Quite likely, as the more average joes invest in it the larger and more aggressive the swings in value will become. The hard part will be timing the sale. I agree with most of this. Tux was right about governments manipulating currencies but at least we can vote them out. A couple of years ago I pointed out to Tux that according to the FT something like 7 people / groups controlled the majority of Bitcoin. The only difference between that and normal currency is we don't know who these people are or what their intentions are so how is that any better? Eventually there will be a "legal" version of Bitcoin controlled by the governments.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 25 Nov 20 3.46pm | |
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As a regulated Independent Financial Adviser, I can confirm that Bitcoin, or any crypto currency, is an extremely high risk investment. It is also unregulated. Only invest money which you are willing to lose. There are success stories out there, but 99% of the time this is down to luck - it's a gamble. I personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole and would steer my clients away from it if they were considering it. There are numerous multi asset funds out there which will get you an almost certain growth over the long term. These are low risk an fully regulated. If you're looking for a quick buck, its a dangerous game to play. I'd suggested a read of herd investing if you're not familiar with the concept: [Link]
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