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Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 04 Oct 20 9.48pm |
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Women should learn their f@cking place. Kitchen and bedroom
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 Matov 04 Oct 20 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Matov, domestic violence isn't a feminist issue, many males suffer it. A tiny percentage. When was the last time a man was murdered by an abusive wife? I am not saying that women on man domestic violence does not occur but I am saying that a man has many, many more options when it comes to either fighting back or making the decision to move on. And for me, domestic violence and its massive disproportionately impact on women is the most pressing feminist issue of all time. When I see equal numbers of men being murdered by their wives/partners then I will accept that perhaps this is more a societal issue than one of gender. Men need to face up to being proper men and if they let a woman make their lives a misery then they need to grow a pair pretty quickly. Men have choices that women do not.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 04 Oct 20 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A tiny percentage. When was the last time a man was murdered by an abusive wife? I am not saying that women on man domestic violence does not occur but I am saying that a man has many, many more options when it comes to either fighting back or making the decision to move on. And for me, domestic violence and its massive disproportionately impact on women is the most pressing feminist issue of all time. When I see equal numbers of men being murdered by their wives/partners then I will accept that perhaps this is more a societal issue than one of gender. It really is a completely different argument. Murder is illegal. There is no gender difference. The same for assault and mental abuse. If we ever see equal numbers of men murdered by their wives/partners as women, then we are truely in a bad place. That men kill more wives/partners is only a reflection of how many murders are committed by men overall. The emboldened sentence is the only thing that feminists should have an issue with.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 04 Oct 20 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A tiny percentage. When was the last time a man was murdered by an abusive wife? I am not saying that women on man domestic violence does not occur
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| Matov 04 Oct 20 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
And that adds what to the debate? I would never deny that woman are not capable of dishing out domestic abuse but the sheer volume of it occuring the other way around is what makes it stand out. In the UK an average of 2 women per week are killed as a result of domestic violence compared to around 30 men per year. Now that figure surprised me because I assume it would be higher (willing to concede that) but the reality is still a massively disproportionate number. If it was 50-50 then I might be able to accept that it was not a feminist issue but until then, no. And it would be interesting to find out how many of those men were abusers themselves, with their deaths being a case of self-protection.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 04 Oct 20 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
And that adds what to the debate? I would never deny that woman are not capable of dishing out domestic abuse but the sheer volume of it occuring the other way around is what makes it stand out. In the UK an average of 2 women per week are killed as a result of domestic violence compared to around 30 men per year. Now that figure surprised me because I assume it would be higher (willing to concede that) but the reality is still a massively disproportionate number. If it was 50-50 then I might be able to accept that it was not a feminist issue but until then, no. And it would be interesting to find out how many of those men were abusers themselves, with their deaths being a case of self-protection. 104-30 is less than a quater. What is the average of murders by men/women? Also the self protection works both ways, with many men not admitting to it because of shame. Or as you put it, the "need to man up". Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (04 Oct 2020 10.41pm)
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BlueJay  UK 07 Oct 20 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
And that adds what to the debate? I would never deny that woman are not capable of dishing out domestic abuse but the sheer volume of it occuring the other way around is what makes it stand out. In the UK an average of 2 women per week are killed as a result of domestic violence compared to around 30 men per year. Now that figure surprised me because I assume it would be higher (willing to concede that) but the reality is still a massively disproportionate number. If it was 50-50 then I might be able to accept that it was not a feminist issue but until then, no. And it would be interesting to find out how many of those men were abusers themselves, with their deaths being a case of self-protection. Well said. While we should definitely make room for men to open up when attacked by women - and it should be taken seriously - the power disparity between men and women will absolutely always mean that we should have a focus on protecting women in situations of domestic violence, because disproportionately they will be coming out of the situation with the wounds that do not heal, or worse.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Oct 20 2.30pm |
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'The only time a woman should be allowed out - is to get the coal in'. Try telling them that, Obadiah. They won't believe you.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Oct 20 3.49pm |
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Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Oct 20 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Well said. While we should definitely make room for men to open up when attacked by women - and it should be taken seriously - the power disparity between men and women will absolutely always mean that we should have a focus on protecting women in situations of domestic violence, because disproportionately they will be coming out of the situation with the wounds that do not heal, or worse. a very naive posting from you, if i may say. Muscle power is irrelevant. The woman in the link is from our neck of the woods.
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Teddy Eagle  07 Oct 20 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
a very naive posting from you, if i may say. Muscle power is irrelevant. The woman in the link is from our neck of the woods. Cherry Lambrini? I’ll have a few pints of that. What is it?
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 07 Oct 20 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Cherry Lambrini? I’ll have a few pints of that. What is it? It’s drunk by people with dignerty.
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