Corbyn is, was and forever will be a loser.

It's amazing Labour act as if coming second in a two horse race is like winning.

Labour are now the party of the Guardian rather than the Mirror and a few heads in the trough union officials.

My late aunt was proper Labour, the Labour of Atlee, not the Labour of division and class war

Good riddance and I hope they break up into little factions of self importance.

Otherwise, don't have a problem with them.

The government is blundering around however I have yet to see any good ideas from any of the opposition parties just criticism and tweaking e.g. you should have done that 2 weeks ago.

Well for now Starmer can get away with that as the focus is on the government and an election many years away. But some day people will start asking what Labour's plans are that's when he will be judged.

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He does make me smile. Labour deserved to lose in 2019 purely because of the insanity of its position on Brexit which he was fundamental in bringing about (you can even date and time the moment back at the conference in 2018 ).

Now I am no lover of Corbyn and if he had won in Dec 2019 suspect I would have been on a list for an 're-education' camp already but the reality was that in 2017, based on a clear stance of respecting the Brexit vote, Corbyn pulled in 40% of the vote. An incredible performance.

Fast forward 30 months and he gets absolutely tonked. Why? Corbyn was a no-good left wing c*** in 2017. He remained a no good left wing c*** in 2019. That ain't changed.

Labour got its arse handed to it because people like Starmer forced it into a position of adopting an electoral policy that was utterly suicidal. Made zero rational political sense in any way, shape or form. You wanted to guarantee a Labour loss, then you campaign for a second vote.

So yes Keir, Labour did deserve to lose in 2019. But that was down to you and others like you. But fair play to the man for making me smile this morning.

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Whilst Starmer might make you smile, you just made me!

Your posts frequently do as they are so far removed from any connections to reality.

Corbyn was totally responsible for the size of Labour's loss last year and, as a consequence, responsible for allowing an incompetent Tory government to be able to act without effective oversight.

The problem wasn't "campaigning for a second vote". It was NOT campaigning for a second vote and offering a garbled message about what it planned to do. Labour was hogtied by Corbyn's personal opposition to the EU. It tried to face both ways and appeal to remainers in the south and it's core base in the north.

Labour lost not in December but a year ago when it spurned the opportunity to take down the government via a vote of no confidence. If Corbyn had resigned and the opposition parties had formed a government of national unity, together with the brave group of resisting Tories, we would not now be in the mess we are now. We would have had an interim PM, and a deal with the EU that would have guaranteed a soft Brexit and a confirmatory referendum to approve it, locked into law before another GE.

What would have then happened when the pandemic struck can only be conjecture but I suspect that all further negotiations with the EU would have been suspended whilst a joint effort was mounted to work together to defeat it. Delaying Brexit when C19 is a much bigger priority is a no brainer. That it isn't even discussed just shows how brainless this government is turning out to be.

Starmer has been thrown a curve ball but if he re-directs Labour back to the centre ground then there is every chance that they will win the next GE. Capturing the centre ground is the only way that any political party can expect to gain power in the UK.