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 Spiderman  Horsham 25 Jul 20 6.56am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, and you know who gave her the job......Amber Rudd. The Tories don't put conservatives at the head of these organisations.....They say one thing to their voters and do another. I thought he was talking about Sadiq Khan?
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 20 6.56am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Ah,ok, more to it then. I think so, unbelievable that you have to give jurors extra protection
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 20 6.57am |
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Originally posted by rob1969
One pleaded guilty so will get reduced sentence
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jul 20 7.52am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I thought he was talking about Sadiq Khan? Well, there you go....I see the word, 'Dick' and my thoughts are turned to its worst connotation. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2020 8.16am)
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 20 8.04am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, there you go....I see the word, 'Dick' and my thoughts are turned to it's worst connotation. Haha not sure Dick is an appropriate name for her! but I know what you mean Edited by Spiderman (25 Jul 2020 9.19am)
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 25 Jul 20 9.59am |
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Sometimes the Police/CPS will opt to go for a manslaughter charge over a murder one. It is usually done to make a conviction more likely. I would imagine here because there was no proof linking one person to an act that killed this poor policeman, had the trial been for murder there was a possibility that it could not be proved and everyone got off. Manslaughter however much it seems unjust ensured these people will do some time. I don't agree with this BTW a hard working public servant lost his life doing his job. It is no consolation to those left behind either but better something than a failed murder charge (as without new evidence they could not be tried again for the same offence.)
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 20 10.17am |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Sometimes the Police/CPS will opt to go for a manslaughter charge over a murder one. It is usually done to make a conviction more likely. I would imagine here because there was no proof linking one person to an act that killed this poor policeman, had the trial been for murder there was a possibility that it could not be proved and everyone got off. Manslaughter however much it seems unjust ensured these people will do some time. I don't agree with this BTW a hard working public servant lost his life doing his job. It is no consolation to those left behind either but better something than a failed murder charge (as without new evidence they could not be tried again for the same offence.) Thanks for this very informative. From the reports on local news I was of the opinion that the Jury found them not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 20 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Thanks for this very informative. From the reports on local news I was of the opinion that the Jury found them not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter. Does look like they went for murder:
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 25 Jul 20 11.28am |
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So in this case looks like the jury had two options. To convict of murder - possibly higher bar - or manslaughter where it was more certain to get a conviction. As I said no comfort for the family but now in the hands of a judge to send them down for a long time.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 Jul 20 11.52am |
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I am quite happy for them to be guilty of manslaughter as murder implies premeditation. In fact they can be guilty of being a shopping trolley for all I care what matters is the sentence they get. There are always degrees of any crime, a single punch in a bar is not the same as dragging a man for a mile in a speeding car. I doubt it will happen but they should get 20 years.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 25 Jul 20 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am quite happy for them to be guilty of manslaughter as murder implies premeditation. In fact they can be guilty of being a shopping trolley for all I care what matters is the sentence they get. There are always degrees of any crime, a single punch in a bar is not the same as dragging a man for a mile in a speeding car. I doubt it will happen but they should get 20 years. Isn’t 15 max for manslaughter?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 Jul 20 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Isn’t 15 max for manslaughter? I don't know but it would surprise me. You have to wonder why should their be a maximum for such a serious crime surely the judge should be allowed to set the tariff they can always appeal.
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