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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 9.20am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The anti white guy calls others 'racists'. Wow, no one saw that one coming. On statistics you're either a denier of reality or you're an idiot.....You can be both of course but there you go. Well done. I literally work with excluded youth every day. And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities. Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people? Or that Glasgow, which historically has some of the worst rates of exclusion in the country, saw around an 80% drop in the last 10 years after the council shifted focus to mitigating the effects of poverty and investing in those at the bottom of the ladder. Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school. Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 9.20am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The anti white guy calls others 'racists'.

Wow, no one saw that one coming.

On statistics you're either a denier of reality or you're an idiot.....You can be both of course but there you go.

Well done.

I literally work with excluded youth every day.

And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities.

Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people?

Or that Glasgow, which historically has some of the worst rates of exclusion in the country, saw around an 80% drop in the last 10 years after the council shifted focus to mitigating the effects of poverty and investing in those at the bottom of the ladder.

Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school.

Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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dannyboy1978 06 Feb 20 9.21am
Originally posted by DanH Oh look. You’re talking about race again. No, we are talking about exclusions from school. Sorry if you can't handle facts.
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06 Feb 20 9.21am

Originally posted by DanH

Oh look. You’re talking about race again.

No, we are talking about exclusions from school. Sorry if you can't handle facts.

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Feb 20 9.22am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 This story is written like it's the systems fault but when are people going to look at the people concerned and point the finger at them. [Link] The problem with statistics like this is they don't delve into the detail enough beyond the obvious. For example physical assault of a teacher, if the white boys are not excluded and the black boys are then that is a problem. So are we comparing like for like or just playing a numbers game? Excluding students should only be a last resort regardless of ethnicity but the school also has a duty of care over teachers and pupils. I know someone who runs ones of these school sin bins (sorry i forget the correct name). The kids are sent to this first before exclusion it sounds horrific he has been assaulted multiple times had knives pulled on him tables and chairs thrown at him etc. So what's the solution "sorry Headmaster we can't exclude this black boy as we reached our quota last week we'll have to wait until we can exclude another white boy"? It's a big issue for schools as they are trying to contain bad parenting and I don't have a clue how to solve it. One more point
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Beckenham 06 Feb 20 9.22am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

This story is written like it's the systems fault but when are people going to look at the people concerned and point the finger at them.
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The problem with statistics like this is they don't delve into the detail enough beyond the obvious. For example physical assault of a teacher, if the white boys are not excluded and the black boys are then that is a problem. So are we comparing like for like or just playing a numbers game?

Excluding students should only be a last resort regardless of ethnicity but the school also has a duty of care over teachers and pupils.

I know someone who runs ones of these school sin bins (sorry i forget the correct name). The kids are sent to this first before exclusion it sounds horrific he has been assaulted multiple times had knives pulled on him tables and chairs thrown at him etc.

So what's the solution "sorry Headmaster we can't exclude this black boy as we reached our quota last week we'll have to wait until we can exclude another white boy"?

It's a big issue for schools as they are trying to contain bad parenting and I don't have a clue how to solve it.

One more point

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Feb 20 9.25am
Originally posted by serial thriller I literally work with excluded youth every day. And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities. Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people? Or that Glasgow, which historically has some of the worst rates of exclusion in the country, saw around an 80% drop in the last 10 years after the council shifted focus to mitigating the effects of poverty and investing in those at the bottom of the ladder. Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school. Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation? You makes a lot of sense but in this case it's a politician and the local rag that are making it a race issue. One more point
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Beckenham 06 Feb 20 9.25am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I literally work with excluded youth every day.

And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities.

Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people?

You makes a lot of sense but in this case it's a politician and the local rag that are making it a race issue.

One more point

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dannyboy1978 06 Feb 20 9.25am
Originally posted by serial thriller I literally work with excluded youth every day. And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities. Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people? Or that Glasgow, which historically has some of the worst rates of exclusion in the country, saw around an 80% drop in the last 10 years after the council shifted focus to mitigating the effects of poverty and investing in those at the bottom of the ladder. Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school. Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation? So you agree. So why start shouting racist? Your basically saying anyone that gives horrible facts is a racist.
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dannyboy1978

06 Feb 20 9.25am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I literally work with excluded youth every day.

And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities.

Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people?

Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school.

So you agree. So why start shouting racist?
Your basically saying anyone that gives horrible facts is a racist.

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 20 9.30am
Originally posted by serial thriller I literally work with excluded youth every day. And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities. Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people? Or that Glasgow, which historically has some of the worst rates of exclusion in the country, saw around an 80% drop in the last 10 years after the council shifted focus to mitigating the effects of poverty and investing in those at the bottom of the ladder. Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school. Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation? Blimey, you actually posted something with meat....or is this part pasted...Mmmm. There is truth in a lot of this....However, we all know what the problem is with African heritage genes and it can be reduced down to lower impulse control. We can go into all the contributing factors and I won't deny some of them...but it's half the picture....Essentially a truth that has been known about for centuries has been lied about in the modern era. The statistics on higher black violence are all over the world, not just in the west. Far more could have been done for black communities if truth rather than warm worded denialism had been the ruling factor of the day. But those who recognise negative difference are ignored for those who waffle convenient lies and nothing is going to change. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 9.40am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Feb 20 9.30am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I literally work with excluded youth every day.

And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities.

Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people?

Blimey, you actually posted something with meat....or is this part pasted...Mmmm.

There is truth in a lot of this....However, we all know what the problem is with African heritage genes and it can be reduced down to lower impulse control.

We can go into all the contributing factors and I won't deny some of them...but it's half the picture....Essentially a truth that has been known about for centuries has been lied about in the modern era.

The statistics on higher black violence are all over the world, not just in the west.

Far more could have been done for black communities if truth rather than warm worded denialism had been the ruling factor of the day.

But those who recognise negative difference are ignored for those who waffle convenient lies and nothing is going to change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 9.40am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 06 Feb 20 9.45am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman What’s your opinion on the topic then? Don't be silly. Soundbite Dan doesn't give opinions, he just sneers at everyone else that has one
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06 Feb 20 9.45am

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What’s your opinion on the topic then?

Don't be silly. Soundbite Dan doesn't give opinions, he just sneers at everyone else that has one

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 20 9.49am
Originally posted by serial thriller Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation? We should focus on truth.....whether it's race or anything else. Race is a hot potato and those that have been rewarded within society are those who 'go along to get along' on the issue and provide excuses. As for focusing on black success stories.....We do that already....In fact, it's overly focused upon because it's an agenda. However, black communities like all communities have their success stories and that is a part of the solution along with a pretty strong dose of social conservatism. Only social conservatism and tradition enables a reduction in these problems. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Feb 20 9.49am

Originally posted by serial thriller

We should focus on truth.....whether it's race or anything else.

Race is a hot potato and those that have been rewarded within society are those who 'go along to get along' on the issue and provide excuses.

As for focusing on black success stories.....We do that already....In fact, it's overly focused upon because it's an agenda.

However, black communities like all communities have their success stories and that is a part of the solution along with a pretty strong dose of social conservatism.

Only social conservatism and tradition enables a reduction in these problems.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Feb 20 9.49am
Originally posted by serial thriller Thank goodness for the bravery of racists like you in ignoring the experts and satisfying our fears and orejudices. Well done. Is this another 'It's all the White man's fault' posts? Who has the prejudice again?
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Originally posted by serial thriller

Thank goodness for the bravery of racists like you in ignoring the experts and satisfying our fears and orejudices. Well done.

Is this another 'It's all the White man's fault' posts?

Who has the prejudice again?

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Feb 20 10.02am
Originally posted by serial thriller I literally work with excluded youth every day. And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities. Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people? Or that Glasgow, which historically has some of the worst rates of exclusion in the country, saw around an 80% drop in the last 10 years after the council shifted focus to mitigating the effects of poverty and investing in those at the bottom of the ladder. Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school. Focusing instead solely on race exacerbates the feelings of dislocation and unease which so many young black people grow up with in this country. Why not instead show them the scientists, poets, businessmen and musicians who make up their community and are such a credit to this nation? Carribean kids have often been a nightmare at school since they have been in Britain. Nothing new. Gipsies and Roma are constantly anti social. Clearly there is a cultural cause. You cannot just blame 'poverty' or 'the system'. These people have to take responsibility for their inability to conform to societal norms. Race is likely to be an unimportant factor. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Feb 2020 10.04am)
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06 Feb 20 10.02am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I literally work with excluded youth every day.

And I'm glad you brought up statistics as I think it's important to use more than one when regarding an issue as complex as educational attainment in different communities.

Did you know for instance that black students with African heritage have lower exclusion rates than white British young people?

Black Carribean students are more likely to be excluded, it's true. As our Roma and gypsy, but so too are particular white communities like eastern Europeans and working class Whites. Instead of focusing on race however, if you focus on economic income, the presence of both parents, the impact of childhood trauma or those placed in care, you have a much clearer picture of the variables which may lead to disengagement of young people in school.

Carribean kids have often been a nightmare at school since they have been in Britain. Nothing new.
Gipsies and Roma are constantly anti social.

Clearly there is a cultural cause. You cannot just blame 'poverty' or 'the system'.
These people have to take responsibility for their inability to conform to societal norms.
Race is likely to be an unimportant factor.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Feb 2020 10.04am)

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palacemanandboy 06 Feb 20 10.10am
It's all about demographics. Nothing more.
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It's all about demographics. Nothing more.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 10.15am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So you agree. So why start shouting racist? Your basically saying anyone that gives horrible facts is a racist. Did you actually read any of the rest of my post? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 10.15am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So you agree. So why start shouting racist?
Your basically saying anyone that gives horrible facts is a racist.

Did you actually read any of the rest of my post?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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