It does present a range of questions that need to be asked.

Now from what I am reading around the edges of this terrible tragedy, this Khan scumbag was actually an invited guest to this conference on rehabilitation. Might even have been touted around as one of their success stories. This was no random attack aimed at just garnering headlines. This was a specific, targetted mission.

Ok. Let me put this out there and I am doing so for purposes of debate. What if this particular scumbag hated rehabilitation programs like this because they were too successful? That for many of his colleagues who also went through the process that they emerged on the other side as people able to fit back into society again?

That his actions were deliberate in that he knew, or the people ordering him from above, want such programs closed down?

Trying to think around the edges here, to come at the incident from a different angle because this attack did have a crucial difference from the previous spate of others in that it had a focus.

Perhaps I am reading to much into this all but this one stinks. And I refuse to believe this guy acted all alone. No way. Prior to it he clearly sort of hide his motives for a fair old while, willing to no doubt submit himself to all sorts of subtefuge. Even heresy on some level because he would have had to disown his clearly still held extremist views.

I share the knee-jerk instincts on this one and know that the cops involved had to kill him. Understand and agree with all the reasons why. But for once it would have been good to have had a chance to actually question this f***er.

Because this one is different. No way did this guy act alone. This was a specifically political target. He was far more than the usual jihadi loser scumbag.

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You have to wonder how successful any de-radicalization program can ever be. How many people on here would change their views on Brexit or voting intentions?

I'm not saying they shouldn't try but it appears to be the only solution they have at the moment. And when it doesn't work they change the program again and again.

Just heard Mayor Cannot on the radio the usual pathetic platitudes because he has no idea what to do and neither to the rest of the politicians.

Very depressing.

You have to wonder how successful any de-radicalization program can ever be. How many people on here would change their views on Brexit or voting intentions?

I'm not saying they shouldn't try but it appears to be the only solution they have at the moment. And when it doesn't work they change the program again and again.

Just heard Mayor Cannot on the radio the usual pathetic platitudes because he has no idea what to do and neither to the rest of the politicians.

Very depressing.

He wasnt comparing it.
I have voted tory for ever.
Dont read many manifestos just vote the way I always have.
Right or wrong I just do.
Point being in the case of the Quran and non believers, if you hate something so much why or how coukd/would you want to change that thought.

Exactly

My point was people don't seem to change their opinion even when the other side argue their case well. So how likely is someone who has a deep belief in their cause going to change their mind.

Some will but I suspect most won't.