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cryrst The garden of England 01 Sep 19 3.42pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Instead of shutting down debate on a political forum perhaps you would like to explain your point of view. That would be much better than be obnoxious He or she or it never does.
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Sep 19 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
With all due respect, the OP is talking a load of over exaggerated old b*llocks. I suppose that seen from the point of view of a brainwashed moron, it would seem that way.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 19 4.23pm | |
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Dirty Harry is in trouble then.https://youtu.be/RnRkCemeV7k
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 19 4.56pm | |
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Hate speech definition in the OED, which is similar to all the others I can find:- "Abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation." There is nothing in there that expresses any kind pf political opinion. Therefore it is open to anyone, or any group, that feels that any law covering this area has been broken, to bring an action in Court. So if a white, male, christian, heterosexual, pro UK and USA capitalist (for instance) felt offended by something someone has said then they have the same opportunity to bring charges as anyone else. That they don't and that all the cases brought seem to be against the hatred from the right is informative. Not by the way about our impartial judiciary but on where the hate really exists.
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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Sep 19 5.04pm | |
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Freedom of speech should be the cornerstone of any democracy providing it does not advocate violence. That does not mean that the MSM or even social media have to broadcast every idiot's opinion but if someone wants to stand on a soapbox and rail against whatever they should have that right. The rest of us don't have to listen. Where you draw the line is always a bone of contention but right now I think it has gone to far. I look forward to a future government bringing a bill of rights and the arguments about how far we allow freedom of speech.
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Sep 19 5.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hate speech definition in the OED, which is similar to all the others I can find:- "Abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation." There is nothing in there that expresses any kind pf political opinion. Therefore it is open to anyone, or any group, that feels that any law covering this area has been broken, to bring an action in Court. So if a white, male, christian, heterosexual, pro UK and USA capitalist (for instance) felt offended by something someone has said then they have the same opportunity to bring charges as anyone else. That they don't and that all the cases brought seem to be against the hatred from the right is informative. Not by the way about our impartial judiciary but on where the hate really exists. What about being fat, having a big nose or ears.
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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 19 5.24pm | |
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There is only speech. 'Hate Speech' is an invention and it's always whatever the left say it is. It's only purpose is to justify censorship.....and it's frequent use is against anything that challenges the left's ideas. If their ideas weren't defeated in the west within the marketplace of ideas the 'hate speech' would never have gained prominence.
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dannyboy1978 01 Sep 19 5.25pm | |
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So If i said hypothetically 1. Hate all religion Which one would people find more offensive
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Invalid user 2019 01 Sep 19 5.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Freedom of speech should be the cornerstone of any democracy providing it does not advocate violence. That does not mean that the MSM or even social media have to broadcast every idiot's opinion but if someone wants to stand on a soapbox and rail against whatever they should have that right. The rest of us don't have to listen. Where you draw the line is always a bone of contention but right now I think it has gone to far. I look forward to a future government bringing a bill of rights and the arguments about how far we allow freedom of speech. Sounds about right to me. People should be able to say whatever they want without legal consequence, unless it's a serious threat of violence or designed to cause mass panic.. like a bomb threat at an airport for example. It's a self policing system. If people act like pr!cks, they are typically recognised as such by others. I don't agree with any government involvement in that feedback loop. Freedom of speech and expression should be non negotiable. We see from various governments left and right world over that they aren't, and if we find ourselves clapping like seals over any infringement upon others personal freedoms just because we disagree with them or their politics ultimately we only succeed in making a rod for our own backs. Governments seek control over populations any way they can get it. They aren't 'working for us', and will routinely pit people against one another if it succeeds in that aim. Edited by dollardays (01 Sep 2019 5.56pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 19 5.58pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What about being fat, having a big nose or ears. Of course it might. I don't get your point, if indeed there is one!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 19 6.06pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Sounds about right to me. People should be able to say whatever they want without legal consequence, unless it's a serious threat of violence or designed to cause mass panic.. like a bomb threat at an airport for example. It's a self policing system. If people act like pr!cks, they are typically recognised as such by others. I don't agree with any government involvement in that feedback loop. Freedom of speech and expression should be non negotiable. We see from various governments left and right world over that they aren't, and if we find ourselves clapping like seals over any infringement upon others personal freedoms just because we disagree with them or their politics ultimately we only succeed in making a rod for our own backs. Governments seek control over populations any way they can get it. They aren't 'working for us', and will routinely pit people against one another if it succeeds in that aim. Edited by dollardays (01 Sep 2019 5.56pm) "Abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation." So you prefer that people have the freedom to abuse or threaten people because of their prejudices against others? Not just express rational, reasoned arguments! Abuse or threaten! It is not be sufficient for someone to simply feel offended. It is necessary to prove abuse or threats. Is that really what we want in our society?
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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 19 6.14pm | |
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No one has ever been concerned with protecting inoffensive speech.
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