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davenotamonkey 22 Aug 19 10.05am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle You may have to stop for passport control at the Scottish border if Ms Sturgeon gets her own way Maybe if she charges us to get in, she can try to recoup some of that 7% deficit she's running (highest in Europe, and well outside the limits for EU membership)
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You may have to stop for passport control at the Scottish border if Ms Sturgeon gets her own way

Maybe if she charges us to get in, she can try to recoup some of that 7% deficit she's running (highest in Europe, and well outside the limits for EU membership)

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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Aug 19 10.21am
I read they are considering reducing the speed of HS2 to try and stop the costs escalating, so you probably wont get there much quicker anyway. Well they are already out of control, who would pay 56 billions plus to rip up and re-place a railway line, at the cost of other necessary improvements to the UK railway system that would give far more benefit. You despair of any reason or rationality, it is as though the UK is unable to think anything through.
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Croydon 22 Aug 19 10.21am

I read they are considering reducing the speed of HS2 to try and stop the costs escalating, so you probably wont get there much quicker anyway.

You despair of any reason or rationality, it is as though the UK is unable to think anything through.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 22 Aug 19 10.26am
Originally posted by steeleye20 You may well ask what benefit is HS2 anyway? Does it connect to Heathrow, Europe, things modern Britain needs? No, it connects to Euston. Enjoy your time-saving - you will be able to use the tube just like everybody else. I find myself in the awkward position of agreeing with you 100%. I'm off for a lie-down. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 22 Aug 19 10.26am

Originally posted by steeleye20

You may well ask what benefit is HS2 anyway?

Does it connect to Heathrow, Europe, things modern Britain needs?

No, it connects to Euston.

Enjoy your time-saving - you will be able to use the tube just like everybody else.

I find myself in the awkward position of agreeing with you 100%.

I'm off for a lie-down.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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jeeagles 22 Aug 19 10.31am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Scrap it, suck up the sink-costs (dreadful as they are), ensure the consultants are never retained by HMG ever again. Next steps: Consultants fees are more likely to be a result of civil servants not making make their minds up and coming up with stupid processes to justify their own existence. Consultants come and go all the time, civil servants are unsackable.
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22 Aug 19 10.31am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Scrap it, suck up the sink-costs (dreadful as they are), ensure the consultants are never retained by HMG ever again. Next steps:

Consultants fees are more likely to be a result of civil servants not making make their minds up and coming up with stupid processes to justify their own existence. Consultants come and go all the time, civil servants are unsackable.

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Aug 19 12.18pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I read they are considering reducing the speed of HS2 to try and stop the costs escalating, so you probably wont get there much quicker anyway. Well they are already out of control, who would pay 56 billions plus to rip up and re-place a railway line, at the cost of other necessary improvements to the UK railway system that would give far more benefit. You despair of any reason or rationality, it is as though the UK is unable to think anything through. If the politicians who ran this country acted like adults this would not be necessary. Infrastructure is a long term investment whereas politicians are only thinking about this week. A sensible policy would be to have a infrastructure committee with experts nominated by all the major parties. They would plan for the future with the parties agreeing in principle to the plan. The only thing the politicians would then do is decide how much and how quickly to adopt the plan. So maybe in times of austerity they slow it down or speed it up but the plan is the same. Fat chance any of this happening. One more point
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Beckenham 22 Aug 19 12.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I read they are considering reducing the speed of HS2 to try and stop the costs escalating, so you probably wont get there much quicker anyway.

Well they are already out of control, who would pay 56 billions plus to rip up and re-place a railway line, at the cost of other necessary improvements to the UK railway system that would give far more benefit.

You despair of any reason or rationality, it is as though the UK is unable to think anything through.

If the politicians who ran this country acted like adults this would not be necessary. Infrastructure is a long term investment whereas politicians are only thinking about this week.

A sensible policy would be to have a infrastructure committee with experts nominated by all the major parties. They would plan for the future with the parties agreeing in principle to the plan. The only thing the politicians would then do is decide how much and how quickly to adopt the plan. So maybe in times of austerity they slow it down or speed it up but the plan is the same.

Fat chance any of this happening.

One more point

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W12 22 Aug 19 1.05pm
If they are estimating £56bn then you know it's going to cost at least twice that. We have a nation debt of £1.8 trillion mostly thanks to Tony Blair and unless we want the economy to implode then we need to take drastic steps to reduce this. This one is a no brainer.
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W12 22 Aug 19 1.05pm

If they are estimating £56bn then you know it's going to cost at least twice that. We have a nation debt of £1.8 trillion mostly thanks to Tony Blair and unless we want the economy to implode then we need to take drastic steps to reduce this. This one is a no brainer.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Aug 19 2.48pm
Funny how the Victorians could do this and more easily. And entrepreneurs would pay for it. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Aug 19 2.48pm

Funny how the Victorians could do this and more easily. And entrepreneurs would pay for it.

Red and Blue Army!

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Lyons550 Shirley 22 Aug 19 2.51pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Scrap it, suck up the sink-costs (dreadful as they are), ensure the consultants are never retained by HMG ever again. Next steps: Plough money into the aforementioned Northern Powerhouse lines, AND a rapid high-freight-volume connection between Tyneside and Liverpool. Then establish free ports in both. State aid in both regions to kick start industry and economy feeding off the Free ports. Ensure all bidding contractors will use UK labour as much as possible. All possible if we leave the EU. Not possible (as under the Withdrawal Agreement) if we're told we can't diverge from their "economic model", subject to their state-aid rules, customs union and procurement diktats. The south has had enough money pumped into it. It's time we re-balanced this country. This...and include Hull in the mix The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 22 Aug 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Scrap it, suck up the sink-costs (dreadful as they are), ensure the consultants are never retained by HMG ever again. Next steps:

Plough money into the aforementioned Northern Powerhouse lines, AND a rapid high-freight-volume connection between Tyneside and Liverpool.

Then establish free ports in both. State aid in both regions to kick start industry and economy feeding off the Free ports. Ensure all bidding contractors will use UK labour as much as possible.

All possible if we leave the EU. Not possible (as under the Withdrawal Agreement) if we're told we can't diverge from their "economic model", subject to their state-aid rules, customs union and procurement diktats.

The south has had enough money pumped into it. It's time we re-balanced this country.

This...and include Hull in the mix

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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becky over the moon 22 Aug 19 3.59pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Funny how the Victorians could do this and more easily. And entrepreneurs would pay for it. Far fewer properties to purchase, smaller cities to pass through and fewer landowners to deal with - most of whom were only too pleased to have this wonderful new (as it was then)means of speedy, safe transport. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 22 Aug 19 3.59pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Funny how the Victorians could do this and more easily. And entrepreneurs would pay for it.

Far fewer properties to purchase, smaller cities to pass through and fewer landowners to deal with - most of whom were only too pleased to have this wonderful new (as it was then)means of speedy, safe transport.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Aug 19 6.54pm
not really any point in it in the 1st place really. for what, to shave 30mins of brum - london? you can do that journey in under 90mins as it is already. havnt we already sank almost £10bn into it as it stands? beggers belief... ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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not really any point in it in the 1st place really.

for what, to shave 30mins of brum - london? you can do that journey in under 90mins as it is already.

havnt we already sank almost £10bn into it as it stands?

beggers belief...

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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Invalid user 2019 22 Aug 19 7.04pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle not really any point in it in the 1st place really. for what, to shave 30mins of brum - london? you can do that journey in under 90mins as it is already. havnt we already sank almost £10bn into it as it stands? beggers belief... Indeed it does. A level of ineptitude only. a government is capable of
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22 Aug 19 7.04pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

not really any point in it in the 1st place really.

for what, to shave 30mins of brum - london? you can do that journey in under 90mins as it is already.

havnt we already sank almost £10bn into it as it stands?

beggers belief...

Indeed it does. A level of ineptitude only. a government is capable of

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Aug 19 7.31pm
Originally posted by dollardays Indeed it does. A level of ineptitude only. a government is capable of it was meant to be running reasonably close to where i live & mainly people were up in arms due to house prices going down, however. i have heard about properly being brought for 500% of its prices...reeks of gordon drowns great british gold sale in reverse. Edited by braunstoneagle (22 Aug 2019 7.37pm) ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Aug 19 7.31pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Indeed it does. A level of ineptitude only. a government is capable of

it was meant to be running reasonably close to where i live & mainly people were up in arms due to house prices going down, however. i have heard about properly being brought for 500% of its prices...reeks of gordon drowns great british gold sale in reverse.

Edited by braunstoneagle (22 Aug 2019 7.37pm)

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