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cryrst The garden of England 11 Aug 19 3.34pm
Originally posted by Ghostship It is ridiculous that someone can have a goal ruled out as their shoulder was offside things like this make it a farce and in a close call like that advantage should go the attacking player. You just know that at some point Palace will get screwed over by this And probably gain from it. Over 38 games no matter the law of averages will prove correct surely.
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cryrst

The garden of England 11 Aug 19 3.34pm

Originally posted by Ghostship

It is ridiculous that someone can have a goal ruled out as their shoulder was offside things like this make it a farce and in a close call like that advantage should go the attacking player.

You just know that at some point Palace will get screwed over by this

And probably gain from it.
Over 38 games no matter the law of averages will prove correct surely.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Aug 19 4.20pm
Originally posted by cryrst I think the goalie moving wasnt the reason. Rice clearing the ball from encroaching was. If fabianski had pushed it to safety ie behind then it would have stood. Well that's what dipsy la la and po said on motd Spot on !
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Aug 19 4.20pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I think the goalie moving wasnt the reason.
Rice clearing the ball from encroaching was.
If fabianski had pushed it to safety ie behind then it would have stood.
Well that's what dipsy la la and po said on motd

Spot on !

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becky over the moon 11 Aug 19 6.07pm
Strangely, VAR was used twice in our game yesterday, and no-one even noticed....... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 11 Aug 19 6.07pm

Strangely, VAR was used twice in our game yesterday, and no-one even noticed.......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Invalid user 2019 11 Aug 19 6.24pm
Originally posted by Jamesrichards8 Absolute VAR horror show in the man city game. No consistency, no logic and much less excitement with VAR. The sooner they scrap this nonsense the better. Instead of the referee making the (occasionally incorrect) decision with the benefit of context of the game, some inconsistent ‘officials’ are going to make the (occasionally incorrect) call from some room somewhere far away.. Where’s the benefit? Edited by Jamesrichards8 (11 Aug 2019 2.27am) Agreed, and expect more of the same going forward.
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11 Aug 19 6.24pm

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Absolute VAR horror show in the man city game. No consistency, no logic and much less excitement with VAR. The sooner they scrap this nonsense the better. Instead of the referee making the (occasionally incorrect) decision with the benefit of context of the game, some inconsistent ‘officials’ are going to make the (occasionally incorrect) call from some room somewhere far away.. Where’s the benefit?

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (11 Aug 2019 2.27am)

Agreed, and expect more of the same going forward.

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YT Oxford 11 Aug 19 7.33pm
Sorry if I'm late to the party, but I thought var was only supposed to be used in four specific scenarios, and that those scenarios didn't include goalie not on line/defender encroaching at a penalty. What's happening? Also, the Wolves manager made a shrewd observation today. In a 0-0 draw, the only big celebration, he said, was LCFC fans giving it large when a Wolves 'goal' was ruled out by a var analysis. And that was after a couple of minutes' delay. His point was that the passion within football is in danger of ebbing away. You are supposed to go potty when your own team scores (and then occasionally end up gutted when you realise that the officials have ruled it out) - you aren't supposed to go potty at the oppo NOT scoring. It's all skewed. Finally, a number of posters have said what I've been saying throughout the var 'debate'. Instead of one identifiable person making wrong decisions, we will now simply have a group of nameless, faceless people making wrong decisions. The "it will even itself out over a season" argument is irrelevant, and anyway that argument surely applies whether there is or isn't var. Indeed; as we know, the injustices suffered by CPFC are seldom evened out! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 11 Aug 19 7.33pm

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but I thought var was only supposed to be used in four specific scenarios, and that those scenarios didn't include goalie not on line/defender encroaching at a penalty. What's happening?

Also, the Wolves manager made a shrewd observation today. In a 0-0 draw, the only big celebration, he said, was LCFC fans giving it large when a Wolves 'goal' was ruled out by a var analysis. And that was after a couple of minutes' delay. His point was that the passion within football is in danger of ebbing away. You are supposed to go potty when your own team scores (and then occasionally end up gutted when you realise that the officials have ruled it out) - you aren't supposed to go potty at the oppo NOT scoring. It's all skewed.

Finally, a number of posters have said what I've been saying throughout the var 'debate'. Instead of one identifiable person making wrong decisions, we will now simply have a group of nameless, faceless people making wrong decisions. The "it will even itself out over a season" argument is irrelevant, and anyway that argument surely applies whether there is or isn't var. Indeed; as we know, the injustices suffered by CPFC are seldom evened out!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Aug 19 9.32pm
It seems that an appeal can be made for a card by a footballer or club. That's fair and correct. All var does is gives this appeal instantly. Even appeal results can be wrong. If after this season it has done more harm than good then get rid. we as fans should respect and give it a chance. Most other sports have instant decisions with technology and it generally improves it. Football is a sport and var will sink or swim within it.
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cryrst

The garden of England 11 Aug 19 9.32pm

It seems that an appeal can be made for a card by a footballer or club.
That's fair and correct.
All var does is gives this appeal instantly.
Even appeal results can be wrong.
If after this season it has done more harm than good then get rid.
we as fans should respect and give it a chance.
Most other sports have instant decisions with technology and it generally improves it.
Football is a sport and var will sink or swim within it.

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Superhorns3 Harpdenden 11 Aug 19 10.51pm
Well the key with those handballs and offsides is to be consistent but like most things in football it won't be !!
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Superhorns3

Harpdenden 11 Aug 19 10.51pm

Well the key with those handballs and offsides is to be consistent but like most things in football it won't be !!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Aug 19 10.58am
Originally posted by Ghostship It is ridiculous that someone can have a goal ruled out as their shoulder was offside things like this make it a farce and in a close call like that advantage should go the attacking player. You just know that at some point Palace will get screwed over by this I have to say that I am a bit uncomfortable with the offside aspect of VAR whereby one can be given offside by the length of a toe. In cricket, if an umpire in a LBW situation gives 'Not out' because he believes the ball is missing the stumps but technology reveals it would have just brushed the stumps, the 'Not out' stands'. I think that over half the ball needs to touch the stumps for the decision to be overturned. Perhaps there should be a similar stance with VAR under the umbrella of a 'Clear and obvious error'.It cannot be a 'clear and obvious error' if the assistant deems a player is onside and it is revealed that he was offside by a hair's breadth. Edited by Willo (13 Aug 2019 11.07am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Aug 19 10.58am

Originally posted by Ghostship

It is ridiculous that someone can have a goal ruled out as their shoulder was offside things like this make it a farce and in a close call like that advantage should go the attacking player.

You just know that at some point Palace will get screwed over by this

I have to say that I am a bit uncomfortable with the offside aspect of VAR whereby one can be given offside by the length of a toe.

In cricket, if an umpire in a LBW situation gives 'Not out' because he believes the ball is missing the stumps but technology reveals it would have just brushed the stumps, the 'Not out' stands'. I think that over half the ball needs to touch the stumps for the decision to be overturned.

Perhaps there should be a similar stance with VAR under the umbrella of a 'Clear and obvious error'.It cannot be a 'clear and obvious error' if the assistant deems a player is onside and it is revealed that he was offside by a hair's breadth.

Edited by Willo (13 Aug 2019 11.07am)

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Aug 19 11.44am
Originally posted by Willo I have to say that I am a bit uncomfortable with the offside aspect of VAR whereby one can be given offside by the length of a toe. In cricket, if an umpire in a LBW situation gives 'Not out' because he believes the ball is missing the stumps but technology reveals it would have just brushed the stumps, the 'Not out' stands'. I think that over half the ball needs to touch the stumps for the decision to be overturned. Perhaps there should be a similar stance with VAR under the umbrella of a 'Clear and obvious error'.It cannot be a 'clear and obvious error' if the assistant deems a player is onside and it is revealed that he was offside by a hair's breadth. Edited by Willo (13 Aug 2019 11.07am) Completely agree. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Aug 19 11.44am

Originally posted by Willo

I have to say that I am a bit uncomfortable with the offside aspect of VAR whereby one can be given offside by the length of a toe.

Edited by Willo (13 Aug 2019 11.07am)

Completely agree.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Pete53 Hassocks 14 Aug 19 11.05am
Originally posted by YT Sorry if I'm late to the party, but I thought var was only supposed to be used in four specific scenarios, and that those scenarios didn't include goalie not on line/defender encroaching at a penalty. What's happening? Correct. That is a decision for the ref. and there is no referral to VAR for that.
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Hassocks 14 Aug 19 11.05am

Originally posted by YT

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but I thought var was only supposed to be used in four specific scenarios, and that those scenarios didn't include goalie not on line/defender encroaching at a penalty. What's happening?

Correct. That is a decision for the ref. and there is no referral to VAR for that.

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Invalid user 2019 14 Aug 19 10.14pm
Originally posted by Ghostship It is ridiculous that someone can have a goal ruled out as their shoulder was offside things like this make it a farce and in a close call like that advantage should go the attacking player. You just know that at some point Palace will get screwed over by this We'll be seeing plenty of this s*** all year. Maybe a year or two down the line VAR will be be used more sensibly, but expect this year to be a car crash.
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14 Aug 19 10.14pm

Originally posted by Ghostship

It is ridiculous that someone can have a goal ruled out as their shoulder was offside things like this make it a farce and in a close call like that advantage should go the attacking player.

You just know that at some point Palace will get screwed over by this

We'll be seeing plenty of this s*** all year. Maybe a year or two down the line VAR will be be used more sensibly, but expect this year to be a car crash.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Aug 19 10.25pm
VAR was not designed to rule out what would pre-VAR been perfectly good goals.It was designed to eliminate clear and obvious errors. I really do not think that supporters wish to see goals disallowed where fractions of an inch are involved.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Aug 19 10.25pm

VAR was not designed to rule out what would pre-VAR been perfectly good goals.It was designed to eliminate clear and obvious errors.
I really do not think that supporters wish to see goals disallowed where fractions of an inch are involved.

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