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  Hrolf The Ganger  07 Aug 19 1.50pm |
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I'd let smokers and druggies die first along with alcoholics, people who do very dangerous sports and health tourists.
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cardiff eagle  07 Aug 19 1.56pm |
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How about we don't leave anyone to die? Where does it stop? What if that overweight person is someone on a £500k p/a salary who has contributed loads to the NHS via NI and Tax? Why should they be refused? And smokers contribute far more than the cost of their treatment via the duty they pay on cigarettes. Same applies for alcoholics. If you want to punish people, then put a tax on junk food and ringfence it to go the NHS. But to let people die is a ridiculous thing to say.
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| cardiff eagle 07 Aug 19 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Having a heart attack from leading a healthy life resulting in little or no burden on the system up to that point is far better than leading an unhealthy life placing a burden on the system for a number of years until the inevitable heart attack. Life is all about choices and the consequences of them So we know that most cancers could be prevented by diet. If you get cancer and have eaten those foods, we should refuse you treatment because of that? Let's not be silly and say that people deserve to die. These are peoples husbands, wives, mums, dads, children etc. Be a bit more empathetic.
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Teddy Eagle  07 Aug 19 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Having a heart attack from leading a healthy life resulting in little or no burden on the system up to that point is far better than leading an unhealthy life placing a burden on the system for a number of years until the inevitable heart attack. Life is all about choices and the consequences of them Yes it is but someone who breaks his leg playing weekend sport made a choice too. Fitness fans are likely to live longer and end up being a burden on the system anyway.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Aug 19 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
How about we don't leave anyone to die? Where does it stop? What if that overweight person is someone on a £500k p/a salary who has contributed loads to the NHS via NI and Tax? Why should they be refused? And smokers contribute far more than the cost of their treatment via the duty they pay on cigarettes. Same applies for alcoholics. If you want to punish people, then put a tax on junk food and ringfence it to go the NHS. But to let people die is a ridiculous thing to say. You are quite right of course. Although, some people really don't deserve treatment. Those who get a new liver and then continue drinking for example.
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jeeagles  07 Aug 19 2.15pm |
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A few years ago I worked on a contract where TfL were the client. As part of our contract we had to offer a scheme offer to train prisoners on their release. As part of the deal they got a flat paid for in easy reach of the place of work. Whilst this was a worthy scheme, I also had a number of graduates on my team who could barely afford to rent a room, they all had good engineering degrees from good universities and came from a variety of backgrounds. I found it drastically unfair that if you do everything right, you get nothing, however, if you are a scumbag, you get everything. Similarly with the NHS, I used to live somewhere where it cost £40 to see a GP, the local authority gym membership was £40 a month. By having to contribute something to go and see a doctor, people are a lot more conscious of their health. Tax was also much lower. I'm not saying that we should go the way of america, but I do think we should have a system that makes people a bit more responsible for themselves.
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grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 07 Aug 19 2.49pm |
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This is wrong and original article shows how the guy does not even understand the subject he is clearly doing it for the big headlines. Because someone is overweight or obese does not make them unhealthy or unfit this is something the media and other bodies have been pushing. Each case needs to be looked at not lumping every one together. The cost to the NHS is not because of people being overweight it's about unhealthy lifestyles which has nothing to do with weight. People going on about heart attacks etc again this is something you look at case by case just stating overweight you will have heart attack is false the scientific data does not back this up it's again diet/lifestyle. NHS doesn't help matters when you look at their suggestions for food etc they are all wrong encouraging high carb diets then wonder why people are obese or have diseases like diabetes. A friend went through lots of this with myself I thought he was chatting load of rubbish how could the likes of NHS be wrong but when you do look at the proper scientific data she was correct the health system is broken because it's all about $$$ rather then people being healthy. Last thing don't need to go to gym they have become the new social norm if you correct lifestyle/diet you will be fine most people that do the gym still do not correct previously mentioned so it makes going to the gym pointless really Edited by grumpymort (07 Aug 2019 2.52pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Aug 19 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This is wrong and original article shows how the guy does not even understand the subject he is clearly doing it for the big headlines. Because someone is overweight or obese does not make them unhealthy or unfit this is something the media and other bodies have been pushing. Each case needs to be looked at not lumping every one together. The cost to the NHS is not because of people being overweight it's about unhealthy lifestyles which has nothing to do with weight. People going on about heart attacks etc again this is something you look at case by case just stating overweight you will have heart attack is false the scientific data does not back this up it's again diet/lifestyle. NHS doesn't help matters when you look at their suggestions for food etc they are all wrong encouraging high carb diets then wonder why people are obese or have diseases like diabetes. A friend went through lots of this with myself I thought he was chatting load of rubbish how could the likes of NHS be wrong but when you do look at the proper scientific data she was correct the health system is broken because it's all about $$$ rather then people being healthy. Last thing don't need to go to gym they have become the new social norm if you correct lifestyle/diet you will be fine most people that do the gym still do not correct previously mentioned so it makes going to the gym pointless really Edited by grumpymort (07 Aug 2019 2.52pm) You may have a point. A friend of mine is a GP she tells me that the current NHS advice on diet is wrong and out of date. She reads the latest research and says it will take the NHS a couple of years to catch up. Her advice is sugar is the killer, cut this out and have a low carb diet with high fat content e.g. full fat Greek yogurt.
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| Teddy Eagle 07 Aug 19 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This is wrong and original article shows how the guy does not even understand the subject he is clearly doing it for the big headlines. Because someone is overweight or obese does not make them unhealthy or unfit this is something the media and other bodies have been pushing. Each case needs to be looked at not lumping every one together. The cost to the NHS is not because of people being overweight it's about unhealthy lifestyles which has nothing to do with weight. People going on about heart attacks etc again this is something you look at case by case just stating overweight you will have heart attack is false the scientific data does not back this up it's again diet/lifestyle. NHS doesn't help matters when you look at their suggestions for food etc they are all wrong encouraging high carb diets then wonder why people are obese or have diseases like diabetes. A friend went through lots of this with myself I thought he was chatting load of rubbish how could the likes of NHS be wrong but when you do look at the proper scientific data she was correct the health system is broken because it's all about $$$ rather then people being healthy. Last thing don't need to go to gym they have become the new social norm if you correct lifestyle/diet you will be fine most people that do the gym still do not correct previously mentioned so it makes going to the gym pointless really Edited by grumpymort (07 Aug 2019 2.52pm) I wouldn’t say it’s pointless. There is a social aspect to it and it’s, well not fun exactly, but quite enjoyable. Maybe a bit counter productive if you’re working full time and it’s just another stress creator in a busy life.
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| Teddy Eagle 07 Aug 19 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'd let smokers and druggies die first along with alcoholics, people who do very dangerous sports and health tourists. This is a good point. By any objective measure Eddie Hall was very overweight at his peak but was the strongest man in the world and so the best at his “sport”.
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 07 Aug 19 4.06pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
You may have a point. A friend of mine is a GP she tells me that the current NHS advice on diet is wrong and out of date. She reads the latest research and says it will take the NHS a couple of years to catch up. Her advice is sugar is the killer, cut this out and have a low carb diet with high fat content e.g. full fat Greek yogurt.
just look at that government report about saturated fat that just came out and what a load of rubbish that was even in the research they state the data comes from shows saturated fat does not cause the likes of heart disease yet they have ignored this and sticking with people should eat low fat diets. the nhs still keeps advising people that are diabetics to eat fruit and wholegrains whats that about any person hat knows how nutrition works correctly knows both are no no yet doctors state this works no it doesn't but remember it's the calories or body weight that matters not fixing the insulin resistance.
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cryrst  The garden of England 07 Aug 19 5.16pm |
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The NHS was formed to make people better.
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