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 mattteo  06 Aug 19 5.52pm |
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Besiktas is a Top 50 in Europe club. It would finish in the Top 10 in Spain, Italy and Germany with players like Quaresma, Ljajic, Kagawa, Domagoj Vida, Ryan Babel etc. They would make a good squad in the PL too. Holtby wouldn't probably be wanted by Top 4 teams from Spain, Germany, Italy, France and Top 6 teams in England. That leaves 22 teams out of Top 50. The fact that Beskitas, a Champions League decent playing club, was the first of these to think of him, proves that they have a better scouting team than the others. And it should come as no surprise that many Presidents on the PL are idiots (Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley, Aston Villa etc)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Aug 19 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Besiktas is a Top 50 in Europe club. It would finish in the Top 10 in Spain, Italy and Germany with players like Quaresma, Ljajic, Kagawa, Domagoj Vida, Ryan Babel etc. They would make a good squad in the PL too. The fact that Beskitas, a Champions League decent playing club, was the first of these to think of him, proves that they have a better scouting team than the others. And it should come as no surprise that many Presidents on the PL are idiots (Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley, Aston Villa etc) It seems that none of the clubs in Spain, Germany, Italy, France or England wanted him. The notion that this is because they don’t have the scouting capacity to identify Holtby is laughable. Let’s have some perspective here; he flopped at Spurs and then went down with Fulham. He went to Hamburg, who survived only by a relegation play off in his debut year, were a bottom half side in the couple of years to follow and finally went down in 17-18. He wasn’t even considered a key player during that time and still no one thought he was worth buying. When they finally went down to the second tier, still no one thought he was worth buying. When were these constant good seasons for 10 years you refer to?Because his CV is dog s***.
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| mattteo 06 Aug 19 6.26pm |
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@EverybodyDannsNow, you're talking nonsense... How was he not a key player at Hamburg? He was the best player there, one of the only ones. Flop at Tottenham...ok. But not everyone can play ahead of Eriksen or Dele Alli. Zaha was considered a flop at United. The fact that you say no one in Spain or Italy etc wanted him is simply wrong. Like I explained before (if you bothered to read) Besiktas is a better team than any team in Spain and Italy from postition 10 downwards. I'd rather go to Besiktas than Rayo Vallecano or Valladollid or Leganes or SPAL or Cagliari or Lecce or Empoli. And I'll tell you one thing: these teams don't pay 30.000 a week to players!! Maybe just to 2-3 players in the entire squad. Edited by mattteo (06 Aug 2019 6.27pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Aug 19 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
@EverybodyDannsNow, you're talking nonsense... How was he not a key player at Hamburg? He was the best player there, one of the only ones. Flop at Tottenham...ok. But not everyone can play ahead of Eriksen or Dele Alli. Zaha was considered a flop at United. The fact that you say no one in Spain or Italy etc wanted him is simply wrong. Like I explained before (if you bothered to read) Besiktas is a better team than any team in Spain and Italy from postition 10 downwards. I'd rather go to Besiktas than Rayo Vallecano or Valladollid or Leganes or SPAL or Cagliari or Lecce or Empoli. And I'll tell you one thing: these teams don't pay 30.000 a week to players!! Maybe just to 2-3 players in the entire squad. Edited by mattteo (06 Aug 2019 6.27pm) He only played 16 games in their relegation season, so clearly not.l that key. By comparison, Martin Kelly played 13 for us last season and he’s a million miles from one of our best players. His first two seasons at Spurs were 12/13 and 13/14 - Dele only joined Spurs for the 15/16 season and Eriksen for 13/14, so those are quite disingenuous examples. Can you prove the bit in bold? Ie a team from Spain or Italy actually trying to sign him? Your personal preferences are irrelevant.
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| mattteo 06 Aug 19 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
He only played 16 games in their relegation season, so clearly not.l that key. By comparison, Martin Kelly played 13 for us last season and he’s a million miles from one of our best players. His first two seasons at Spurs were 12/13 and 13/14 - Dele only joined Spurs for the 15/16 season and Eriksen for 13/14, so those are quite disingenuous examples. Can you prove the bit in bold? Ie a team from Spain or Italy actually trying to sign him? Your personal preferences are irrelevant. He only played 16 matches cause he had an injury (tigh problem+ cold/ill+ lasceration). Svored 6 goals from midfield position, so wasn't at fault for Hambirg going down. Safe to say thatbof he had played more, things would have been different. Did Camarasa score 6 goals in ANY other top level season??! And yes, I can prove it: Read carefully the entire article.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Aug 19 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
He only played 16 matches cause he had an injury (tigh problem+ cold/ill+ lasceration). Svored 6 goals from midfield position, so wasn't at fault for Hambirg going down. Safe to say thatbof he had played more, things would have been different. Did Camarasa score 6 goals in ANY other top level season??! And yes, I can prove it: Read carefully the entire article. Camarasa scored 5 in his first prem season - 17/18 is the only season in Holtby’s career when he’s scored more than 5. His record in the prem is 2 in 38. I read carefully the article - who were the sides from a top European league who tried to sign him? Cardiff are in the championship FYI. It’s interesting that their scouts managed to find him though, especially when all the Prem clubs couldn’t.
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| mattteo 06 Aug 19 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Camarasa scored 5 in his first prem season - 17/18 is the only season in Holtby’s career when he’s scored more than 5. His record in the prem is 2 in 38. I read carefully the article - who were the sides from a top European league who tried to sign him? Cardiff are in the championship FYI. It’s interesting that their scouts managed to find him though, especially when all the Prem clubs couldn’t.
Read better. It mentions more appealing Premier League interest. These are the numbers of Holtby vs Camarasa. Enjoy. There really is nothing to say in favour of Camarasa. Camarasa's goals came only from attacking midfielder position, behind the striker, while Holtby has played attacking midfielder, left midfielder, central midfielder, right midfielder, all positions with success. When I said Holtby usually has these numbers, I was thinking overall goals+assists.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Aug 19 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Read better. It mentions more appealing Premier League interest. These are the numbers of Holtby vs Camarasa. Enjoy. There really is nothing to say in favour of Camarasa. Camarasa's goals came only from attacking midfielder position, behind the striker, while Holtby has played attacking midfielder, left midfielder, central midfielder, right midfielder, all positions with success. When I said Holtby usually has these numbers, I was thinking overall goals+assists. Premier League interest from who? A vague throwaway line in a local paper is not proof of anything. Ultimately there’s a reason numerous Premier League clubs have been confirmed to be interested in Camarasa and none have Holtby, despite one costing considerably more. And it’s not to do with a lack of scouts.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Sep 19 11.50am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Premier League interest from who? A vague throwaway line in a local paper is not proof of anything. Ultimately there’s a reason numerous Premier League clubs have been confirmed to be interested in Camarasa and none have Holtby, despite one costing considerably more. And it’s not to do with a lack of scouts. Holtby signed on a free for Blackburn. Funny that.
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| mattteo 21 Sep 19 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Holtby signed on a free for Blackburn. Funny that. Funny why? It just shows how bad at business some PL clubs are, not that he's a bad player. Are Palace's new central midfielders doing a great job?
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| Spiderman Horsham 29 Sep 19 5.24pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Funny why? It just shows how bad at business some PL clubs are, not that he's a bad player. Are Palace's new central midfielders doing a great job? Yes
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