1 I considered that too. The child did complicate things as he wasn't be blame for the incredibly foolish situation of his mother. That that baby died, seemed almost tragically in line with the whole sorry mess of her life.

2 In most families someone being gay isn't a 'situation'. It's a non event unless it's not allowed to be. 'homosexuality is a lifestyle I don't like' ad infinitum likely is the situation, since it hardly screams acceptance.

3 Yes as I've already said, I'd be more inclined to put this to the team. It's a team sport and maintaining a meaningful and close knit team dynamic is what's important. If repeatedly firing off extreme comments that turn millions of people off and take the attention away from the team is good with them, I'd go with that. if it's not , I'd go with that. Of course in a commercial environment, anything that rings alarm bells rather than tills draws attention too, so whether right or wrong, that too factors in.

Edited by dollardays (17 Apr 2019 7.36pm)

I spend an entire thread offering various reasons why I don't think she should be let back into the country. None of those involved believing she is any kind of physical threat towards anyone though, as I don't believe that she is or that most other people believe that she is. It is her worldview that I find disturbing and of course that would factor into how her children were raised and so on.

Some made the arguments about her age and so on as reason why we should give her another chance. I considered though that in making the decision to put herself in the fray it was hard to take that back. Ultimately though, there are very obviously freedom of speech elements to this, but I decided against since she was out of the country and that seemed like a good way to end this. She wasn't exactly adding to the pot.

Edited by dollardays (17 Apr 2019 7.40pm)

'Acceptance'? I accept homosexuality as a part of nature. What is.....is what will be. I have no desire to see people punished for a consensual sexual preference same as I have no desire to see thought punished.

I don't support homosexuality no. I'd like my biological line to be continued thanks, and most homosexuals aren't driven towards that. If I had one son and they turned out to be gay with no desire for biological reproduction that would devastate me.....Would I love them any less? I don't think that could be possible....so yeah, there is some internal conflict there.

Still, there are plenty of homosexuals I admire.....usually socially conservative homosexuals....but I'm not going about thinking, 'this guy/woman is great or terrible because sexuality'.

So yeah, like most things, it's the person and what they believe in for the good of society generally.....that's more important.

Well, I could understand that but personally If I were his boss I'd ask him to delete his social media stop giving interviews on non sporting matters and focus on his sport.

Not because I think he should be punished for religious views but simply because what he thinks about the price of fish isn't important.
If he refused I'd state that this player's views are his own.

But eventually I agree that I would sack someone if they continued to ignore requests from their employer to be reasonable......upon the basis that their was a lack of professionalism between employer and employee.

I don't know what has gone on ....on balance I always side upon protecting expression....but they both have rights here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2019 9.43pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As the years have gone by on some things I seem to have become more socially conservative, perhaps that is in reaction to society's increasing liberalisation or just something natural that happens to aging males....or both.

I tend to agree with those who say 'why upset people' for no reason. For example while I'm quite the anti Islamic I kind of agree with the idea that you don't draw pictures just to upset people. But then again..... on the other hand I'd kind of like the liberty to do so. When it turns out that I'm required to bend my knee on it.....I suddenly discover that I've lost all flexibility in my knees.

Nowadays, I react when I find that what can be a perfectly reasonable request for civilised behaviour then moves on from a desire for respect to a requirement for it.....Where people get sacked if they say stuff like I'm not for this or not for that.....I find myself remembering those Muhammad Ali days and I know what's being lost.

It seems a disfigurement of the kind of tolerance I wanted when I was younger.....Now I'm just a cynic. I realise that it's ...'meet the new boss, it's the same as the old boss'.

Same puritans, just different rules.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2019 9.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes, there's certainly an irony to that. Is it 'just a belief' if you're publicly condemning a group of people to what you believe is the pit of hell. He's conveying an extreme view and it's the most forthright attack on a group of people that can be made from a religious perspective short of physical harm. It's going to get a public reaction because it's a hateful outlier view and if your boss sees it as a distraction and you keep doing it, you can expect action to be taken.

Yes, as they say 'the more things change the more they stay the same'. The configuration shifts from time to time but the game remains the same.