I'm annoyed with myself for responding to this as I'd decided I'd had enough of your predictable anti Hodgson posts and should just ignore them.

You talk about personal embarrassment - you should be well acquainted with that given some of the rubbish you spout on here.

As for getting insulted off of threads, well that's rich coming from somebody that's only been on HOL a short time but has already managed to get a yellow card.

Have a go back if you like. I won't be responding again.

Old, Ungifted and White

I think the point you are missing is, Hodgson is being compared to previous Palace managers by a lot of the longstanding fans. He actually stacks up very well against all of them except Coppell, the rest by and large have had serious flaws, Bruce, Dowie and Pulis were good, but sh_t people, the rest weren't very good.

The new fans expect us to be pushing for Europe, beating all the top teams etc, the reality is it isn't going to happen as we haven't the financial resources of the top teams. The older fans still cant quite believe we are still in the Premier after years of being a yoyo club and see staying here as progression and are happy with Hodgson as he can keep us in there.

To quote from Painter I believe that Hodgson should be compared to previous Palace managers and he also should stack up very well against them as this is possibly the best team we have ever had. The exceptions being the Team of the Eighties who finished 10th and Coppell's early 90's side who remarkably finished 3rd.

Roy has a top ten team who manage to stave off relegation with a little to spare and isn't that the issue in question. If that is the best we can hope for, then I concede.

Before the "be care what you wish for" comments begin, both Stoke and Charlton were consistent top ten teams when their fans wanted more. Despite six seasons we are still nowhere near that and I would have hoped that we had become more than perennial relegation strugglers by now.

It’s so frustrating watching Palace with such an incredibly gifted individual such as Wilf and us playing such mediocre football. We are failing Wilf and Hodgson is the culprit. Not only Wilf though we have a French international Cb in Mamadou we have a rising german star in Meyer who Hodgball refuses to start, but why?! He’s clearly a positive influence on the game he moves the ball quickly and links up with Wilf brilliantly. Don’t get me started about Roy and substitutions we are massively under achieving and wasting the talent of Zaha in his prime. Move on Roy please!

I see, so it had nothing to do with the fact that not one of our players would get into their team and all of theirs would instantly be in ours ..of course it had nothing to do with that, how silly am I.

Proves the point that any team outside the top six are capable of being relegated and being a top half club is cuckoo poo.