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Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 19 7.51pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Democracy originally started in Athens when the public gathered listened to whoever wanted to speak and then voted. I kinda like your idea not sure it is practical but the problem with the current lot is most know they are safe. Shave a monkey pin a rosette on it etc. I like the US system voters are more demanding "what have you done for me lately?" Apart from the very committed most people will vote for the best person so on election day with multiple elections happening many will vote for both parties from President down to dog catcher depending on how they feel about that politician. If a few more MPs in safe seats felt under threat from the voters they might put a shift in and listen to their constituents. _______________________________________________________ Yes, accountability is the issue. Politics seems to be a matter of who you are rather than what you think or how capable you are so there are some people who will get elected in perpetuity regardless of how disastrous their performance. Rather like some players who never get dropped.
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21 Mar 19 7.51pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Democracy originally started in Athens when the public gathered listened to whoever wanted to speak and then voted. I kinda like your idea not sure it is practical but the problem with the current lot is most know they are safe. Shave a monkey pin a rosette on it etc.

I like the US system voters are more demanding "what have you done for me lately?" Apart from the very committed most people will vote for the best person so on election day with multiple elections happening many will vote for both parties from President down to dog catcher depending on how they feel about that politician.

If a few more MPs in safe seats felt under threat from the voters they might put a shift in and listen to their constituents.

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Yes, accountability is the issue. Politics seems to be a matter of who you are rather than what you think or how capable you are so there are some people who will get elected in perpetuity regardless of how disastrous their performance. Rather like some players who never get dropped.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 21 Mar 19 9.05pm
We certainly don't need 650 MPs. Let it be known that we are going cut 25% of their jobs in the true spirit of austerity then watch their commitment to the public increase. While we're doing that we can reduce their expense accounts, shut down their subsidised bars and restaurants,stop their annual higher than inflation pay increases they give themselves. In my view, they do not earn or deserve all the perks funded by the taxpayer. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Eton Mess 21 Mar 19 9.05pm

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We certainly don't need 650 MPs.

Let it be known that we are going cut 25% of their jobs in the true spirit of austerity then watch their commitment to the public increase.

While we're doing that we can reduce their expense accounts, shut down their subsidised bars and restaurants,stop their annual higher than inflation pay increases they give themselves.

In my view, they do not earn or deserve all the perks funded by the taxpayer.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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becky over the moon 21 Mar 19 9.29pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham We certainly don't need 650 MPs. Let it be known that we are going cut 25% of their jobs in the true spirit of austerity then watch their commitment to the public increase. While we're doing that we can reduce their expense accounts, shut down their subsidised bars and restaurants,stop their annual higher than inflation pay increases they give themselves. In my view, they do not earn or deserve all the perks funded by the taxpayer. They haven't set their own pay increases since 2011 - it is now done by an Independent committee set up for that purpose. [Link] A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 21 Mar 19 9.29pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

We certainly don't need 650 MPs.

Let it be known that we are going cut 25% of their jobs in the true spirit of austerity then watch their commitment to the public increase.

While we're doing that we can reduce their expense accounts, shut down their subsidised bars and restaurants,stop their annual higher than inflation pay increases they give themselves.

In my view, they do not earn or deserve all the perks funded by the taxpayer.

They haven't set their own pay increases since 2011 - it is now done by an Independent committee set up for that purpose.

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 21 Mar 19 9.53pm
Originally posted by becky They haven't set their own pay increases since 2011 - it is now done by an Independent committee set up for that purpose. [Link] MPs are a privileged group who achieved pay rises whilst everyone else in the public sector took pay cuts. It was usual to impose annual 1% uplifts on public servants after the initial 2/3 year pay freeze but significant increased year on year pension contributions meant public servants effectively had pay cuts. The "independent committee" was set up to circumvent pay constraint for MPs and achieved that. Edited by Henry of Peckham (21 Mar 2019 10.00pm) Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Eton Mess 21 Mar 19 9.53pm

Originally posted by becky

They haven't set their own pay increases since 2011 - it is now done by an Independent committee set up for that purpose.

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MPs are a privileged group who achieved pay rises whilst everyone else in the public sector took pay cuts. It was usual to impose annual 1% uplifts on public servants after the initial 2/3 year pay freeze but significant increased year on year pension contributions meant public servants effectively had pay cuts. The "independent committee" was set up to circumvent pay constraint for MPs and achieved that.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Mar 19 9.54pm
i believe the Croydon branch of Greggs the bakers is looking for staff. send our parliamentarians there. Loadsa bread. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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i believe the Croydon branch of Greggs the bakers is looking for staff.

send our parliamentarians there. Loadsa bread.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Mar 19 9.59pm
One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f* all. Minister of Sport (Never played or teached) Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler) Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc) Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f*ing Whelk stall) The list is endless. The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business. You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Mar 19 9.59pm

One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f*** all.
Minister of Sport (Never played or teached)
Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler)
Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc)
Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f***ing Whelk stall)
The list is endless.
The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business.
You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor.

Pro USA & Israel

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Stirlingsays 21 Mar 19 10.06pm
Originally posted by Jimenez One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f* all. Minister of Sport (Never played or teached) Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler) Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc) Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f*ing Whelk stall) The list is endless. The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business. You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor. There's a strong argument that the current system is definitely too large and not fit for this century. I'd also agree that the parliament is most definitely not a repository for our brightest minds and not a great example of meritocracy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Mar 19 10.06pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

There's a strong argument that the current system is definitely too large and not fit for this century.

I'd also agree that the parliament is most definitely not a repository for our brightest minds and not a great example of meritocracy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Mar 19 11.02pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Time for a modern day Cromwell to march his troops into Parliament: 'It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go! ' You know he never said that So who would be the Lord Protector now then? There are a few aspirants
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Croydon 21 Mar 19 11.02pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Time for a modern day Cromwell to march his troops into Parliament:

'It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go! '

You know he never said that

So who would be the Lord Protector now then? There are a few aspirants

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johnno42000 21 Mar 19 11.52pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You know he never said that So who would be the Lord Protector now then? There are a few aspirants [Link] [Link] Thomas Salmon (historian) (b1679) used the quote of his speech, whoremaster etc. The links and the historian who lived a lot closer in time than either of us would beg to differ about whether he made the speech. As to who would be the Lord Protector well I would of course Edited by johnno42000 (21 Mar 2019 11.54pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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21 Mar 19 11.52pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You know he never said that

So who would be the Lord Protector now then? There are a few aspirants

[Link]

Thomas Salmon (historian) (b1679) used the quote of his speech, whoremaster etc.

The links and the historian who lived a lot closer in time than either of us would beg to differ about whether he made the speech.

As to who would be the Lord Protector well I would of course

Edited by johnno42000 (21 Mar 2019 11.54pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Mar 19 8.36am
Originally posted by Jimenez One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f* all. Minister of Sport (Never played or teached) Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler) Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc) Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f*ing Whelk stall) The list is endless. The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business. You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor. Absolutely this. The majority of these morons voted to take 'no deal' off the table, showing they've never even haggled over the price of a fez in a Moroccan market, let alone be fit to negotiate an international treaty.
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Wantage 23 Mar 19 8.36am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Absolutely this.

The majority of these morons voted to take 'no deal' off the table, showing they've never even haggled over the price of a fez in a Moroccan market, let alone be fit to negotiate an international treaty.

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Midlands Eagle 23 Mar 19 9.03am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'd also agree that the parliament is most definitely not a repository for our brightest minds and not a great example of meritocracy. It's hardly surprising as the remuneration isn't high enough to attract the brightest minds. An MP earns £77,000 which to put in perspective is less than I earn and I don't have to spend my life up and down motorways to London working unsociable hours in the process
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd also agree that the parliament is most definitely not a repository for our brightest minds and not a great example of meritocracy.

It's hardly surprising as the remuneration isn't high enough to attract the brightest minds.

An MP earns £77,000 which to put in perspective is less than I earn and I don't have to spend my life up and down motorways to London working unsociable hours in the process

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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Mar 19 9.48am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It's hardly surprising as the remuneration isn't high enough to attract the brightest minds. An MP earns £77,000 which to put in perspective is less than I earn and I don't have to spend my life up and down motorways to London working unsociable hours in the process Neither do they to be fair. They all coin hundreds of thousands in expenses, have second homes in the big smoke and make money out of lobbies, sponsors and other business interests. They all pocket vast sums, think of the (not to be sniffed at!) salary as the trail of grain that leads to the trough. Edited by ChrisGC (23 Mar 2019 9.49am)
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Wantage 23 Mar 19 9.48am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's hardly surprising as the remuneration isn't high enough to attract the brightest minds.

An MP earns £77,000 which to put in perspective is less than I earn and I don't have to spend my life up and down motorways to London working unsociable hours in the process

Neither do they to be fair.

They all coin hundreds of thousands in expenses, have second homes in the big smoke and make money out of lobbies, sponsors and other business interests.

They all pocket vast sums, think of the (not to be sniffed at!) salary as the trail of grain that leads to the trough.

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