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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 04 Jan 19 2.08pm
We should enjoy the ride, just as people should appreciate their good fortune being in born in one of the world's wealthiest countries. Actually, just being born at all. And I do: we've built some great memories in the past few years. However, if we go down without a material infrastructure improvement and with finances that are more precarious than when we were promoted, that would represent abject failure. Let's get real, Selhurst isn't fit for purpose, has a smaller capacity than 16 sides in the Championship, and much of the commercial set up seems poor. (It's a nothing, but I got my lad's shirt printed before Chelsea and the bloke -- there were only 2 of them doing the printing -- had to go and get some 1s. I mean...on a match day...who could possibly have foreseen a demand increase for 1s). If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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We should enjoy the ride, just as people should appreciate their good fortune being in born in one of the world's wealthiest countries. Actually, just being born at all. And I do: we've built some great memories in the past few years.

However, if we go down without a material infrastructure improvement and with finances that are more precarious than when we were promoted, that would represent abject failure.

Let's get real, Selhurst isn't fit for purpose, has a smaller capacity than 16 sides in the Championship, and much of the commercial set up seems poor.

(It's a nothing, but I got my lad's shirt printed before Chelsea and the bloke -- there were only 2 of them doing the printing -- had to go and get some 1s. I mean...on a match day...who could possibly have foreseen a demand increase for 1s).

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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dp Tunbridge Wells 04 Jan 19 2.25pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig We should enjoy the ride, just as people should appreciate their good fortune being in born in one of the world's wealthiest countries. Actually, just being born at all. And I do: we've built some great memories in the past few years. However, if we go down without a material infrastructure improvement and with finances that are more precarious than when we were promoted, that would represent abject failure. Let's get real, Selhurst isn't fit for purpose, has a smaller capacity than 16 sides in the Championship, and much of the commercial set up seems poor. (It's a nothing, but I got my lad's shirt printed before Chelsea and the bloke -- there were only 2 of them doing the printing -- had to go and get some 1s. I mean...on a match day...who could possibly have foreseen a demand increase for 1s). I agree with this. I used to take clients to Palace matches, but had such a terrible experience that I tend to take corporate hospitality at Palace Away matches now. It hurts me that I “support” other clubs to the tune of about a grand per match, when I would rather be giving that money to Palace, but the chance that my clients will have such a poor corporate experience that they would not want to work with me is just too high at Palace. It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete.
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Tunbridge Wells 04 Jan 19 2.25pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

However, if we go down without a material infrastructure improvement and with finances that are more precarious than when we were promoted, that would represent abject failure.

Let's get real, Selhurst isn't fit for purpose, has a smaller capacity than 16 sides in the Championship, and much of the commercial set up seems poor.

I agree with this.

I used to take clients to Palace matches, but had such a terrible experience that I tend to take corporate hospitality at Palace Away matches now. It hurts me that I “support” other clubs to the tune of about a grand per match, when I would rather be giving that money to Palace, but the chance that my clients will have such a poor corporate experience that they would not want to work with me is just too high at Palace.

It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete.

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dp Tunbridge Wells 04 Jan 19 2.28pm
Originally posted by dp I agree with this. I used to take clients to Palace matches, but had such a terrible experience that I tend to take corporate hospitality at Palace Away matches now. It hurts me that I “support” other clubs to the tune of about a grand per match, when I would rather be giving that money to Palace, but the chance that my clients will have such a poor corporate experience that they would not want to work with me is just too high at Palace. It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete. All these “nothings” add up to something.
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Tunbridge Wells 04 Jan 19 2.28pm

Originally posted by dp

I agree with this.

It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete.

All these “nothings” add up to something.

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 04 Jan 19 2.28pm
Originally posted by dp I agree with this. I used to take clients to Palace matches, but had such a terrible experience that I tend to take corporate hospitality at Palace Away matches now. It hurts me that I “support” other clubs to the tune of about a grand per match, when I would rather be giving that money to Palace, but the chance that my clients will have such a poor corporate experience that they would not want to work with me is just too high at Palace. It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete. and I agree with your agreement. what you describe is a terrible indictment of the club. Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (04 Jan 2019 2.43pm) If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 04 Jan 19 2.28pm

Originally posted by dp

I agree with this.

It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete.

and I agree with your agreement. what you describe is a terrible indictment of the club.

Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (04 Jan 2019 2.43pm)

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southnorwoodhill 04 Jan 19 2.29pm
Originally posted by Username 'Not much has changed' - when are you comparing it to? Since 2010 took over, at Selhurst we've upgraded the floodlights, the pitch (a couple of times) and drainage/heating, the TV/broadcasting/media facilities, the hospitality in the main stand (Speroni's/lounges etc) have all been updated, as have the exec boxes in the Whitehorse, we've got rid of all the old wooden seats and I think the dressing rooms etc have been sorted as well? We've brought in electronic turnstiles which (despite much moaning on day one) seem to work well, and we have tried new catering options (in the upper tier at least) even if people aren't still that happy with them. We've just acquired a long-term lease for the academy site, and while the main stand development is still in limbo, we have at least put together and submitted proper plans? I agree there are still major issues with things like scouting in particular, but I imagine this is where we've been a bit hamstrung by not having a settled manager and DoF for a proper period of time. Hopefully that is changing, but it can't help when Pardew comes in and says he wants to change everything and then we have to get rid of him, Allardyce comes in and then leaves within six months etc. I do think it's very, very unfair to say that nothing has changed though. Anfield an interesting comparison given a) some people's experiences of it: [Link] and b) the years (decades?) of planning a new stadium that then didn't happen before building the new main stand there. These things don't just happen overnight, and I do think Palace have definitely been ticking things off where we can. Hello Steve
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Originally posted by Username

'Not much has changed' - when are you comparing it to?

Since 2010 took over, at Selhurst we've upgraded the floodlights, the pitch (a couple of times) and drainage/heating, the TV/broadcasting/media facilities, the hospitality in the main stand (Speroni's/lounges etc) have all been updated, as have the exec boxes in the Whitehorse, we've got rid of all the old wooden seats and I think the dressing rooms etc have been sorted as well?

We've brought in electronic turnstiles which (despite much moaning on day one) seem to work well, and we have tried new catering options (in the upper tier at least) even if people aren't still that happy with them.

We've just acquired a long-term lease for the academy site, and while the main stand development is still in limbo, we have at least put together and submitted proper plans?

I agree there are still major issues with things like scouting in particular, but I imagine this is where we've been a bit hamstrung by not having a settled manager and DoF for a proper period of time. Hopefully that is changing, but it can't help when Pardew comes in and says he wants to change everything and then we have to get rid of him, Allardyce comes in and then leaves within six months etc.

I do think it's very, very unfair to say that nothing has changed though.

Anfield an interesting comparison given a) some people's experiences of it: [Link]

and b) the years (decades?) of planning a new stadium that then didn't happen before building the new main stand there.

These things don't just happen overnight, and I do think Palace have definitely been ticking things off where we can.

Hello Steve

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Eaglecoops CR3 04 Jan 19 2.29pm
Originally posted by dp I agree with this. I used to take clients to Palace matches, but had such a terrible experience that I tend to take corporate hospitality at Palace Away matches now. It hurts me that I “support” other clubs to the tune of about a grand per match, when I would rather be giving that money to Palace, but the chance that my clients will have such a poor corporate experience that they would not want to work with me is just too high at Palace. It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete. Nothing wrong with the corporate experience at Palace and a lot less expensive than corporate at some other grounds. The food is excellent and the drink all inclusive. The only downside is the infrastructure that is the main stand and that is to be addressed.
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Originally posted by dp

I agree with this.

It is these off field experiences that we need to sort out. Right from the scouting, through the youth team, academy, corporate etc. This is where we do not presently compete.

Nothing wrong with the corporate experience at Palace and a lot less expensive than corporate at some other grounds. The food is excellent and the drink all inclusive. The only downside is the infrastructure that is the main stand and that is to be addressed.

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Username Horsham 04 Jan 19 3.36pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Hello Steve Ha! Don't get me wrong, we're still not where I wawnt to be by any stretch of the imagination, but given how things were when 2010 took over, and thinking about how little things changed during Jordan's reign (the screen instead of the scoreboard the only thing maybe?), I just think this is another example of people being overly negative and choosing to ignore the changes that are slowly but surely being made around the club. Not all of them are physical changes either. Our marketing is something that I've noticed a pretty dramatic improvement in the last eight and a half years. You look at the brand and identity we've built and the quality of some of the digital content that the club produces and the work Chris and the Social Media team (Sam, I think?) do. That might sound like a silly thing to notice, but these are the things that let fans (of all ages) interact with the club seven days a week, and it's something we do really well. I think it's just a bit unfair to make it sound like we're the same club we were after that game at Hillsborough. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Hello Steve

Ha!

Don't get me wrong, we're still not where I wawnt to be by any stretch of the imagination, but given how things were when 2010 took over, and thinking about how little things changed during Jordan's reign (the screen instead of the scoreboard the only thing maybe?), I just think this is another example of people being overly negative and choosing to ignore the changes that are slowly but surely being made around the club.

Not all of them are physical changes either. Our marketing is something that I've noticed a pretty dramatic improvement in the last eight and a half years. You look at the brand and identity we've built and the quality of some of the digital content that the club produces and the work Chris and the Social Media team (Sam, I think?) do.

That might sound like a silly thing to notice, but these are the things that let fans (of all ages) interact with the club seven days a week, and it's something we do really well.

I think it's just a bit unfair to make it sound like we're the same club we were after that game at Hillsborough.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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dp Tunbridge Wells 04 Jan 19 4.33pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Nothing wrong with the corporate experience at Palace and a lot less expensive than corporate at some other grounds. The food is excellent and the drink all inclusive. The only downside is the infrastructure that is the main stand and that is to be addressed. I am glad that your experience is wholly positive. The comparative cost angle may be a good point, but I don’t really look at the expense when I am taking clients to football matches. I have an annual budget and first and foremost, I look at whether my clients are going to be looked after and have a nice experience, and whether I have to worry about “mother henning” them the whole time. From my personal experience, there would be an issue on 2 of every 10 visits. 1 was so bad that my relationship with my client was lost. Nothing to do with cost, free drink, quality of food. Just things that should not happen at corporate events. You are right that I pay more to watch Palace elsewhere, but I am always sure that the experience will be good, and if it is not then the right things will be done. So we will have to agree to disagree.
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Tunbridge Wells 04 Jan 19 4.33pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I am glad that your experience is wholly positive.

The comparative cost angle may be a good point, but I don’t really look at the expense when I am taking clients to football matches. I have an annual budget and first and foremost, I look at whether my clients are going to be looked after and have a nice experience, and whether I have to worry about “mother henning” them the whole time.

From my personal experience, there would be an issue on 2 of every 10 visits. 1 was so bad that my relationship with my client was lost. Nothing to do with cost, free drink, quality of food. Just things that should not happen at corporate events.

You are right that I pay more to watch Palace elsewhere, but I am always sure that the experience will be good, and if it is not then the right things will be done.

So we will have to agree to disagree.

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PALACE FOR EVER London 04 Jan 19 6.01pm
Originally posted by Username 'Not much has changed' - when are you comparing it to? Since 2010 took over, at Selhurst we've upgraded the floodlights, the pitch (a couple of times) and drainage/heating, the TV/broadcasting/media facilities, the hospitality in the main stand (Speroni's/lounges etc) have all been updated, as have the exec boxes in the Whitehorse, we've got rid of all the old wooden seats and I think the dressing rooms etc have been sorted as well? We've brought in electronic turnstiles which (despite much moaning on day one) seem to work well, and we have tried new catering options (in the upper tier at least) even if people aren't still that happy with them. We've just acquired a long-term lease for the academy site, and while the main stand development is still in limbo, we have at least put together and submitted proper plans? I agree there are still major issues with things like scouting in particular, but I imagine this is where we've been a bit hamstrung by not having a settled manager and DoF for a proper period of time. Hopefully that is changing, but it can't help when Pardew comes in and says he wants to change everything and then we have to get rid of him, Allardyce comes in and then leaves within six months etc. I do think it's very, very unfair to say that nothing has changed though. Anfield an interesting comparison given a) some people's experiences of it: [Link] and b) the years (decades?) of planning a new stadium that then didn't happen before building the new main stand there. These things don't just happen overnight, and I do think Palace have definitely been ticking things off where we can. A very good write up. Good at looking at both sides and realising what the club has done since 2010. The pyramid to beat all pyramids!! [Link] Find out what team is in which division, eg which division is Coppull United in?
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Originally posted by Username

'Not much has changed' - when are you comparing it to?

We've just acquired a long-term lease for the academy site, and while the main stand development is still in limbo, we have at least put together and submitted proper plans?

I do think it's very, very unfair to say that nothing has changed though.

Anfield an interesting comparison given a) some people's experiences of it: [Link]

and b) the years (decades?) of planning a new stadium that then didn't happen before building the new main stand there.

These things don't just happen overnight, and I do think Palace have definitely been ticking things off where we can.

A very good write up.

Good at looking at both sides and realising what the club has done since 2010.

The pyramid to beat all pyramids!!

[Link]

Find out what team is in which division, eg which division is Coppull United in?

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Tickled pink Cornwall 04 Jan 19 6.21pm
Originally posted by johnmcormick8 Its not its is down to IMO the hype of the prem, we should be doing this, we should buying him etc. We are punching way above our weight by staying in the prem we are not unlike west brom, cardiff,dare i say it brighton. A Family locally based non global team un like man u liverpool arsenal etc etc. Enjoy the rollercoast ride and be done with it. Any team outside the top six can go down, very easily.
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Originally posted by johnmcormick8

Its not its is down to IMO the hype of the prem, we should be doing this, we should buying him etc. We are punching way above our weight by staying in the prem we are not unlike west brom, cardiff,dare i say it brighton. A Family locally based non global team un like man u liverpool arsenal etc etc. Enjoy the rollercoast ride and be done with it.

Any team outside the top six can go down, very easily.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 04 Jan 19 6.24pm
Originally posted by dp I am glad that your experience is wholly positive. The comparative cost angle may be a good point, but I don’t really look at the expense when I am taking clients to football matches. I have an annual budget and first and foremost, I look at whether my clients are going to be looked after and have a nice experience, and whether I have to worry about “mother henning” them the whole time. From my personal experience, there would be an issue on 2 of every 10 visits. 1 was so bad that my relationship with my client was lost. Nothing to do with cost, free drink, quality of food. Just things that should not happen at corporate events. You are right that I pay more to watch Palace elsewhere, but I am always sure that the experience will be good, and if it is not then the right things will be done. So we will have to agree to disagree. You've got to tell us!
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Originally posted by dp

I am glad that your experience is wholly positive.

From my personal experience, there would be an issue on 2 of every 10 visits. 1 was so bad that my relationship with my client was lost. Nothing to do with cost, free drink, quality of food. Just things that should not happen at corporate events.

You are right that I pay more to watch Palace elsewhere, but I am always sure that the experience will be good, and if it is not then the right things will be done.

So we will have to agree to disagree.

You've got to tell us!