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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Nov 18 7.16pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol This is what we should be getting angry about [Link] 14m people officially live in Poverty 1.5m classified as destitute That's Britain in 2018, absolutely shameful But as long as we keep blaming immigration for all our problems it will continue I have a couple of points: 1. This seems to be a report from one UN expert. Do we know anything about his politics? Does he have a reputation for being impartial? He spent months on this report out of interest why? Why the UK? Are there other UN experts doing other Western countries? If not why not? 2. He says that poverty in the UK is political. Well you can say that about any country. How you treat people is always political it shouldn't be but it is. Any country can spend more on the poor and less on something else so that is hardly a revelation. 3. Do we know if his numbers of people in poverty are generally accepted as accurate? Having grown up very poor I do have a problem with how the UK measures poverty. A discussion for another time, for now I am interested in is he in the ballpark? 4. With all of the above in mind he may be 100% right however the UN is not an independent body as it likes to claim. A so called independent UN panel agreed that the UK was violating Juliane Assange's right and keeping him prisoner in the Embassy. I suspect most of us thought that was a crock and showed the UN expert panel to be idiots. One more point
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Beckenham 16 Nov 18 7.16pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This is what we should be getting angry about

[Link]

14m people officially live in Poverty
1.5m classified as destitute

That's Britain in 2018, absolutely shameful

But as long as we keep blaming immigration for all our problems it will continue

I have a couple of points:
1. This seems to be a report from one UN expert. Do we know anything about his politics? Does he have a reputation for being impartial? He spent months on this report out of interest why? Why the UK? Are there other UN experts doing other Western countries? If not why not?

2. He says that poverty in the UK is political. Well you can say that about any country. How you treat people is always political it shouldn't be but it is. Any country can spend more on the poor and less on something else so that is hardly a revelation.

3. Do we know if his numbers of people in poverty are generally accepted as accurate? Having grown up very poor I do have a problem with how the UK measures poverty. A discussion for another time, for now I am interested in is he in the ballpark?

4. With all of the above in mind he may be 100% right however the UN is not an independent body as it likes to claim. A so called independent UN panel agreed that the UK was violating Juliane Assange's right and keeping him prisoner in the Embassy. I suspect most of us thought that was a crock and showed the UN expert panel to be idiots.

One more point

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Midlands Eagle 16 Nov 18 7.18pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio In 1970 a young bloke could leave school, get a job and buy a house. Often with a stay-at-home wife. Sounds like my life. I rented for about three years then bought a house when in my early twenties - also with a stay at home wife
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

In 1970 a young bloke could leave school, get a job and buy a house. Often with a stay-at-home wife.

Sounds like my life. I rented for about three years then bought a house when in my early twenties - also with a stay at home wife

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 18 7.19pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol This is what we should be getting angry about [Link] 14m people officially live in Poverty 1.5m classified as destitute That's Britain in 2018, absolutely shameful But as long as we keep blaming immigration for all our problems it will continue But immigration is good for Britain. We should all be rich. You are trapped in your own net.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This is what we should be getting angry about

[Link]

14m people officially live in Poverty
1.5m classified as destitute

That's Britain in 2018, absolutely shameful

But as long as we keep blaming immigration for all our problems it will continue

But immigration is good for Britain. We should all be rich.
You are trapped in your own net.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Nov 18 7.37pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Sounds like my life. I rented for about three years then bought a house when in my early twenties - also with a stay at home wife with just a basic schooling ? the 1970s were an idyll compared to now. Climate, stock of animals still alive, oceans without plastic, fish, butterflies, untouched wildernesses, hunter-gatherer tribes untouched by western toxic crap, nation-States unsullied by multiculturalist garbage, ..... even the football was more real for the working classes. now its all iPhones and dogsh.1t Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Sounds like my life. I rented for about three years then bought a house when in my early twenties - also with a stay at home wife

with just a basic schooling ? the 1970s were an idyll compared to now.
Climate, stock of animals still alive, oceans without plastic, fish, butterflies, untouched wildernesses, hunter-gatherer tribes untouched by western toxic crap, nation-States unsullied by multiculturalist garbage, ..... even the football was more real for the working classes.

now its all iPhones and dogsh.1t

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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dannyboy1978 16 Nov 18 7.44pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio forget about wages. Housing has become beyond the reach of many due to overly abundant demand (immigration). In 1970 a young bloke could leave school, get a job and buy a house. Often with a stay-at-home wife. 2018 - stay on in education for many more years, stay-at-home wife ? less likely. Either rent forever or get up to your eyeballs in mortgage debt. overcrowding ? The number of people per square-foot of property is evidence that our lifestyle is going backwards. There are now ghetto houses with dozens of people living in each. And London has got so expensive for the middle classes that they are voting with their feet. And your choice is to live expensive where there are jobs or to live cheap in a dump like Stoke-on-Trent. Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Nov 2018 7.19pm) Wow, that really hits home. Good post I've come to realise it's all about big business that's all governments care about, f*** the little man Edited by dannyboy1978 (16 Nov 2018 7.48pm)
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16 Nov 18 7.44pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

forget about wages.

Housing has become beyond the reach of many due to overly abundant demand (immigration).

In 1970 a young bloke could leave school, get a job and buy a house. Often with a stay-at-home wife.

2018 - stay on in education for many more years, stay-at-home wife ? less likely. Either rent forever or get up to your eyeballs in mortgage debt.

overcrowding ?
The number of people per square-foot of property is evidence that our lifestyle is going backwards.

There are now ghetto houses with dozens of people living in each.

And London has got so expensive for the middle classes that they are voting with their feet. And your choice is to live expensive where there are jobs or to live cheap in a dump like Stoke-on-Trent.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Nov 2018 7.19pm)

Wow, that really hits home. Good post

I've come to realise it's all about big business that's all governments care about, f*** the little man

Edited by dannyboy1978 (16 Nov 2018 7.48pm)

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 18 7.55pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio forget about wages. Housing has become beyond the reach of many due to overly abundant demand (immigration). In 1970 a young bloke could leave school, get a job and buy a house. Often with a stay-at-home wife. 2018 - stay on in education for many more years, stay-at-home wife ? less likely. Either rent forever or get up to your eyeballs in mortgage debt. overcrowding ? The number of people per square-foot of property is evidence that our lifestyle is going backwards. There are now ghetto houses with dozens of people living in each. And London has got so expensive for the middle classes that they are voting with their feet. And your choice is to live expensive where there are jobs or to live cheap in a dump like Stoke-on-Trent. Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Nov 2018 7.19pm) Good post. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Nov 18 7.55pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

forget about wages.

Housing has become beyond the reach of many due to overly abundant demand (immigration).

In 1970 a young bloke could leave school, get a job and buy a house. Often with a stay-at-home wife.

2018 - stay on in education for many more years, stay-at-home wife ? less likely. Either rent forever or get up to your eyeballs in mortgage debt.

overcrowding ?
The number of people per square-foot of property is evidence that our lifestyle is going backwards.

There are now ghetto houses with dozens of people living in each.

And London has got so expensive for the middle classes that they are voting with their feet. And your choice is to live expensive where there are jobs or to live cheap in a dump like Stoke-on-Trent.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Nov 2018 7.19pm)

Good post.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Nov 18 7.59pm
We should have put this behind us years ago. I can echo posters with memories of the 1970's. The old association with sloth and unemployment is just not valid, the new poor are all in work. It is 2018 for chrissake why is this not dealt with, together with homelessness and other ills. It probably costs more not to deal with them. In the 1970s we had a labour government much criticised but we were a much more balanced and responsible society.
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Croydon 16 Nov 18 7.59pm

We should have put this behind us years ago.

I can echo posters with memories of the 1970's.

The old association with sloth and unemployment is just not valid, the new poor are all in work.

It is 2018 for chrissake why is this not dealt with, together with homelessness and other ills.

It probably costs more not to deal with them.

In the 1970s we had a labour government much criticised but we were a much more balanced and responsible society.

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 18 8.02pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We should have put this behind us years ago. I can echo posters with memories of the 1970's. The old association with sloth and unemployment is just not valid, the new poor are all in work. It is 2018 for chrissake why is this not dealt with, together with homelessness and other ills. It probably costs more not to deal with them. In the 1970s we had a labour government much criticised but we were a much more balanced and responsible society. Unless you needed your dead buried.....the unions were like the far left today.....loonies ruining the country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Nov 18 8.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We should have put this behind us years ago.

I can echo posters with memories of the 1970's.

The old association with sloth and unemployment is just not valid, the new poor are all in work.

It is 2018 for chrissake why is this not dealt with, together with homelessness and other ills.

It probably costs more not to deal with them.

In the 1970s we had a labour government much criticised but we were a much more balanced and responsible society.

Unless you needed your dead buried.....the unions were like the far left today.....loonies ruining the country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 18 8.09pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We should have put this behind us years ago. I can echo posters with memories of the 1970's. The old association with sloth and unemployment is just not valid, the new poor are all in work. It is 2018 for chrissake why is this not dealt with, together with homelessness and other ills. It probably costs more not to deal with them. In the 1970s we had a labour government much criticised but we were a much more balanced and responsible society. But I thought we were all racists in the 70's. Make up your mind. In the 70's, Britain was run by the unions with Labour saying yes to their every demand. Productivity was rock bottom and many people still had outside toilets. Or were you talking about another 1970's?
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Hrolf The Ganger

16 Nov 18 8.09pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We should have put this behind us years ago.

I can echo posters with memories of the 1970's.

The old association with sloth and unemployment is just not valid, the new poor are all in work.

It is 2018 for chrissake why is this not dealt with, together with homelessness and other ills.

It probably costs more not to deal with them.

In the 1970s we had a labour government much criticised but we were a much more balanced and responsible society.

But I thought we were all racists in the 70's. Make up your mind.
In the 70's, Britain was run by the unions with Labour saying yes to their every demand. Productivity was rock bottom and many people still had outside toilets.

Or were you talking about another 1970's?

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PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Nov 18 8.23pm
the 1970s the hire-and-fire culture had not set in. So relative job security. simple technology meant many jobs required the intellect of a gnat. Peter Cook & Dudley Moore could say 'c..nt' in public without getting lynched by lefties. comedy was funny. no obesity epidemic....look at all the old photos. An entire football stadium full of skinny feckers. intellectuals on telly, in the pub, doing odd jobs, moderate drinking mostly everywhere 2018 minimum-wage jobs that require you to be awake and sober at all times, and ideally young. queues of traffic, public transport nightmares, queues for seemingly everything. dodgy highly processed food everywhere turning us into americans. thicks on telly, thicks in parliament, thicks being worshipped for their opinions, binge drinkers fighting, p1ssing and puking everywhere. Especially the girls. Go and watch Fawlty Towers or the Gary Oldman 'Tinker, tailor, soldier,spy' and feel misty eyed for a world without cameras, airport security, and call centres. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 16 Nov 18 8.23pm

the 1970s

the hire-and-fire culture had not set in. So relative job security.

simple technology meant many jobs required the intellect of a gnat.

Peter Cook & Dudley Moore could say 'c..nt' in public without getting lynched by lefties.

comedy was funny.

no obesity epidemic....look at all the old photos. An entire football stadium full of skinny feckers.

intellectuals on telly, in the pub, doing odd jobs,

moderate drinking mostly everywhere

2018
minimum-wage jobs that require you to be awake and sober at all times, and ideally young.

queues of traffic, public transport nightmares, queues for seemingly everything.

dodgy highly processed food everywhere turning us into americans.

thicks on telly, thicks in parliament, thicks being worshipped for their opinions,

binge drinkers fighting, p1ssing and puking everywhere. Especially the girls.

Go and watch Fawlty Towers or the Gary Oldman 'Tinker, tailor, soldier,spy' and feel misty eyed for a world without cameras, airport security, and call centres.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Pussay Patrol 16 Nov 18 8.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Unless you needed your dead buried.....the unions were like the far left today.....loonies ruining the country. Conservatives been in power since 2010 presiding over a country in poverty Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

16 Nov 18 8.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Unless you needed your dead buried.....the unions were like the far left today.....loonies ruining the country.

Conservatives been in power since 2010

presiding over a country in poverty

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 18 8.29pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Conservatives been in power since 2010 presiding over a country in poverty If you think these are conservatives... I could stick a label on you with a name on it.......it doesn't make you that name. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Nov 18 8.29pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Conservatives been in power since 2010

presiding over a country in poverty

If you think these are conservatives...

I could stick a label on you with a name on it.......it doesn't make you that name.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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