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chateauferret 09 Nov 18 7.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Far from it, he can speak Pidgen - Quote: "God Darn butter me bred" The article implies that there is one language called "pidjin". This is cobblers. There are many pidjins. The word comes from one of the pidjins' word for "business", being a pidjinised version of that word. Pidjins are more or less artificial languages designed for doing "business" originally between colonial incomers and the natives. They are made by taking simplified gramnar and vocabulary from the incomers" language (the "superstrate" and adapting it around grammatical features and words from local languages for the purpose of easy learning. The best known example of a pidjin is probably Tok Pisin, which is an English substrate creole spoken in Papua New Guinea. A creole is a pijin that has changed and developed in its own right, and this happens quickly and easily. Therefore, there are not many real pidjins left as they have mostly all creolised now. Tok Pisin is totally analytic (no noun declension), has only two prepositions - "bilong" which means "of" and "long" which is used for any other preposition; a particle "i" which precedes any verb to mark it as finite, a suffix "-im" which marks a verb as transitive, and a particle "-pela" which makes plurals and multiples rather like a classifier in Chinese but also makes demonstrative, articles, dual and trial numbers, and so on. This is the Lord's Prayer in Tok Pisin. Papa bilong mipela In this particular creole the word "pisin" means "business" (see above) and "pigeon, bird". Phonological simplification leads to many homophones.
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Rubin 09 Nov 18 7.55pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
The article implies that there is one language called "pidjin". This is cobblers. There are many pidjins. The word comes from one of the pidjins' word for "business", being a pidjinised version of that word. Pidjins are more or less artificial languages designed for doing "business" originally between colonial incomers and the natives. They are made by taking simplified gramnar and vocabulary from the incomers" language (the "substrate" and adapting it around grammatical features and words from local languages for the purpose of easy learning. The best known example of a pidjin is probably Tok Pisin, which is an English substrate creole spoken in Papua New Guinea. A creole is a pijin that has changed and developed in its own right, and this happens quickly and easily. Therefore, there are not many real pidjins left as they have mostly all creolised now. Tok Pisin is totally analytic (no noun declension), has only two prepositions - "bilong" which means "of" and "long" which is used for any other preposition; a particle "i" which precedes any verb to mark it as transitive, and a particle "-pela" which makes plurals and multiples rather like a classifier in Chinese but also makes demonstrative, articles, dual and trial numbers, and so on. This is the Lord's Prayer in Tok Pisin. Papa bilong mipela In this particular creole the word "pisin" means "business" (see above) and "pigeon, bird". Phonological simplification leads to many homophones.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Nov 18 8.06pm | |
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Our licence fee actually pays for this sh*t.
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Stuk Top half 09 Nov 18 8.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Our licence fee actually pays for this sh*t. They claim it doesn't, but it comes from our taxes one way or the other and is stupidly expensive.
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Rubin 09 Nov 18 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Our licence fee actually pays for this sh*t. Gotta spread the propaganda worldwide.
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chateauferret 09 Nov 18 10.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They claim it doesn't, but it comes from our taxes one way or the other and is stupidly expensive. Good Grief. I haven't heard of half those languages and I'm a linguist FFS. If you look up "pidjin language" in Wikipedia it reckons it's a Solomon Islands language similar to Tok Pisin. But the language on that web page doesn't begin to resemble Tok Pisin. It looks more like some Brixton teenage argot.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 10 Nov 18 12.11am | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They claim it doesn't, but it comes from our taxes one way or the other and is stupidly expensive. Indeed. I am eagerly awaiting one of the usual suspects to trot out the obligatory 'But it only works out at 12p a day'
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chateauferret 10 Nov 18 12.26am | |
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Incidentally in connection with the Prince of Wales I am reminded of two amusing facts. Firstly Tok Pisin for Prince Charles is the periphrasis nambawan pikinini bilong misis kwin ("number one child of Mrs Queen" ). Secondly that there is a community on the South Pacific island of Vanuatu in which everone believes, literally, that Prince Philip is God. Edited by chateauferret (10 Nov 2018 12.27am)
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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 18 12.54am | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Good Grief. I haven't heard of half those languages and I'm a linguist FFS. If you look up "pidjin language" in Wikipedia it reckons it's a Solomon Islands language similar to Tok Pisin. But the language on that web page doesn't begin to resemble Tok Pisin. It looks more like some Brixton teenage argot. I knew of half of them, the aforementioned plus the Nigerian and Indian dialects, and the obvious Serbian. I still have no idea why were paying to produce content in those languages though.
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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 18 12.58am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Indeed. I am eagerly awaiting one of the usual suspects to trot out the obligatory 'But it only works out at 12p a day' They need to factor in inflation then, even a black and white licence costs more than that per day.
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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 18 1.01am | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Incidentally in connection with the Prince of Wales I am reminded of two amusing facts. Firstly Tok Pisin for Prince Charles is the periphrasis nambawan pikinini bilong misis kwin ("number one child of Mrs Queen" ). Secondly that there is a community on the South Pacific island of Vanuatu in which everone believes, literally, that Prince Philip is God. Edited by chateauferret (10 Nov 2018 12.27am) No less sound logic than numerous other established religions to be fair. And he actually does something for them every once in a while.
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cryrst The garden of England 10 Nov 18 6.59am | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I knew of half of them, the aforementioned plus the Nigerian and Indian dialects, and the obvious Serbian. I still have no idea why were paying to produce content in those languages though. Oh dont ne silly stuk
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