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calgarycpfc Calgary 21 Oct 18 11.09pm | |
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...sometimes you bottle it, sometimes it doesn’t go where you want. I think Luka wanted it to go to the keepers right but got it all wrong. So much of it comes down to confidence, and that we are lacking.
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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 22 Oct 18 5.24am | |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
If you're going to hit it down the middle it has to go high, so it misses the diving goalkeeper. This it... chances are the keeper is never going to stay stationary in the middle to catch a ball chest high... However, keepers do their homework and watch run ups, like boxing, they study body positioning and they can pretty much work out by the takers foot work where they are going. Now, even harder, takers can study the keeper on video to see if they react a certain way to certain styles - so to almost double bluff. In reality there is probably an area where the keeper cannot reach the ball, regardless - but the prospect of hitting that spot every time, under pressure is tough. I would say the safest bet, as wide as you can, at head height. But the margins are so fine and i bet a lot just aim for just off centre... placing it only works if you can bluff.
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A89M Streatham 22 Oct 18 8.58am | |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
If you're going to hit it down the middle it has to go high, so it misses the diving goalkeeper. Yup, exactly this. Keepers always tend to dive, so as long as you lift the ball when going down the middle the keeper really stands no chance (see Stanislas's penalty against us). Luka did similar against City which I could forgive due to the circumstances, last minute pen, against the top team in the league. This one not so much, it was an exact replica and something I thought he would of learnt from. Showed a lack of confidence in both penalties but for very different reasons..
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chateauferret 22 Oct 18 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by timmyb
Just been reading the section on penalty taking/ game theory in Soccernomics. Suggests the best takers need a thoroughly randomised policy of where they place their kicks. Pickford messes with game theory by being a thoroughly unorthodox stopper. His world cup save looked all wrong....went with the wrong hand etc...but the key thing is, he kept the ball out of the goal..rather like he did today. For all of that, Luca is the best taker we've had for years. We can allow him one miss a season. He had two last season because letting Benteke take it instead of ypu counts as a fluff. Seriously though last season Milivojevic' mental strength was immense and this seaaon - well I have a fiestier six-month old kitten.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Oct 18 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by A89M
Yup, exactly this. Keepers always tend to dive, so as long as you lift the ball when going down the middle the keeper really stands no chance (see Stanislas's penalty against us). Luka did similar against City which I could forgive due to the circumstances, last minute pen, against the top team in the league. This one not so much, it was an exact replica and something I thought he would of learnt from. Showed a lack of confidence in both penalties but for very different reasons.. Yes I agree. When coaching young keepers, they are told that when they dive in a penalty situation they need to extend their leg as Pickford did so as Milivojevic found it, if you shoot low down the middle there is every chance chance that the ball will hit the keeper's outstretched leg.
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timmyb Banstead 23 Oct 18 4.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
He went down the middle against Man C last season and that was also saved. So he has missed one a season. Without being too nerdy on the game theory stuff, this does keep keepers guessing. If by hitting an occasional one down the middle, he then scores every penalty he hits left or right, his stats stay pretty high. Pickford has said he got a bit lucky and nearly broke his foot saving it in unorthodox fashion. I still struggle to think of a better Palace penalty taker...AJ in 2004 / 05 perhaps. Still have nightmares about standing on the Holmesdale watching Bright, Wright and Pembo all miss in the same game.
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General 28 Oct 18 10.47am | |
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If you can’t kick it in the top corner from 12 yards you are not a footballer in my opinion. Your an athlete. Right footed - goalkeepers top left. Nerves? Nope not valid your paid to kick a ball. Whether it be near the corner flag or kick off or penalty spot. If you can’t kick a ball properly when it’s needed you ain’t a baller. Your an athlete. Or go see a psychiatrist and explain why after 20 years of kicking a ball you feel pressure kicking a ball. They will cuddle you!
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timmyb Banstead 28 Oct 18 3.26pm | |
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Good strength from Luca today. Still our best penalty taker. Who'd have thought we would be the ones to end the goons' winning run?
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viveasheagle perth 29 Oct 18 2.55am | |
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I think Southgate said in the England World cup preparations they practised taking penalty's with the goalkeeper knowing which way the kick was going. This makes a lot of sense as I think with the quality of pitches and technique a well struck penalty towards the top left or right corner cannot be saved. The execution carry's a greater risk as the shot requires both direction and elevation but I am surprised this is not more widely adopted.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Oct 18 8.22am | |
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Originally posted by timmyb
So he has missed one a season. Without being too nerdy on the game theory stuff, this does keep keepers guessing. If by hitting an occasional one down the middle, he then scores every penalty he hits left or right, his stats stay pretty high. Pickford has said he got a bit lucky and nearly broke his foot saving it in unorthodox fashion. I still struggle to think of a better Palace penalty taker...AJ in 2004 / 05 perhaps. Still have nightmares about standing on the Holmesdale watching Bright, Wright and Pembo all miss in the same game.
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Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 29 Oct 18 2.03pm | |
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There is 12 yards for the ball to travel. I worked on the basis that if the keeper got anywhere near one of my pens it was going to have to be a good strong hand, or he would be going in the net with it. I used to welly the ball as hard as I could in the general direction of the goal, I had no idea where it was going, but neither did the keeper, But it would get there bloody quick.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Oct 18 2.16pm | |
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Paul Pogba took 26 steps before he kicked the ball yesterday v Everton. Edited by Willo (29 Oct 2018 2.19pm)
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