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Stirlingsays 08 Oct 18 9.07pm
As for climate change. Personally, regardless of the arguments as too how much and where the blame lies....I kind of think that's besides the point. Moving away from oil isn't a bad idea...and that's the way it's going anyway. The issues are the reality that the third world....well essentially all the s***holes around the world aren't going to play ball. Essentially energy use is linked to population numbers in developed and developing countries. So unless technology can reduce the problem....if climate change is correct then we are fecked anyway. It's technology or bust. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Oct 18 9.07pm

As for climate change.

Personally, regardless of the arguments as too how much and where the blame lies....I kind of think that's besides the point.

Moving away from oil isn't a bad idea...and that's the way it's going anyway.

The issues are the reality that the third world....well essentially all the s***holes around the world aren't going to play ball.

Essentially energy use is linked to population numbers in developed and developing countries.

So unless technology can reduce the problem....if climate change is correct then we are fecked anyway.

It's technology or bust.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 18 9.14pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Hmmm, I don't like using statistics because they are designed for purpose. The developed countries populations are increasing, even though the birth rate is dropping. This is due to extended life-span (medicine and food) and migration/immigration. Conversely, poorer nations have more children to increase the probability of them making adulthood (playing the odds) A lot of good comments on the thread. Ultimately politics and political boundaries have caused the disparity in wealth which is probably the biggest catalyst for this mess. That is not the relevant statistic. The birth rate is the only one that matters. It is true to say that the entire world's birth rate is falling but not fast enough to plateau the global population until it reaches around 20 billion. Far too late. Britain's population is still growing but without the influx of immigrants, it would have begun to fall in the near future. This is a fact that needs to be understood. Most don't understand how to interpret population stats properly.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Hmmm, I don't like using statistics because they are designed for purpose.
The developed countries populations are increasing, even though the birth rate is dropping. This is due to extended life-span (medicine and food) and migration/immigration.

Conversely, poorer nations have more children to increase the probability of them making adulthood (playing the odds)

A lot of good comments on the thread. Ultimately politics and political boundaries have caused the disparity in wealth which is probably the biggest catalyst for this mess.

That is not the relevant statistic. The birth rate is the only one that matters.
It is true to say that the entire world's birth rate is falling but not fast enough to plateau the global population until it reaches around 20 billion. Far too late. Britain's population is still growing but without the influx of immigrants, it would have begun to fall in the near future. This is a fact that needs to be understood. Most don't understand how to interpret population stats properly.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 08 Oct 18 10.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As for climate change. Personally, regardless of the arguments as too how much and where the blame lies....I kind of think that's besides the point. Moving away from oil isn't a bad idea...and that's the way it's going anyway. The issues are the reality that the third world....well essentially all the s**holes around the world aren't going to play ball. Essentially energy use is linked to population numbers in developed and developing countries. So unless technology can reduce the problem....if climate change is correct then we are fecked anyway. It's technology or bust. 1. That is actually a complete myth. Polling done shows that populations in South America and South East Asia view climate change as a far greater threat than we do in the West. [Link] It is also scientifically provable that those contributing the least emissions are going to be affected far more than those, like us, the US and China, who could do something about it. 2. Do you include the US in this 'shthole' countries category? 3. Could you give us any example of a 'sh*thole' country that is proving a major obstacle to us combating climate change? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As for climate change.

Personally, regardless of the arguments as too how much and where the blame lies....I kind of think that's besides the point.

Moving away from oil isn't a bad idea...and that's the way it's going anyway.

The issues are the reality that the third world....well essentially all the s***holes around the world aren't going to play ball.

Essentially energy use is linked to population numbers in developed and developing countries.

So unless technology can reduce the problem....if climate change is correct then we are fecked anyway.

It's technology or bust.

1. That is actually a complete myth. Polling done shows that populations in South America and South East Asia view climate change as a far greater threat than we do in the West. [Link] It is also scientifically provable that those contributing the least emissions are going to be affected far more than those, like us, the US and China, who could do something about it.

2. Do you include the US in this 'sh*thole' countries category?

3. Could you give us any example of a 'sh*thole' country that is proving a major obstacle to us combating climate change?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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becky over the moon 09 Oct 18 8.15am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Oh, you and I will be departing sooner than either of us like to think about. What needs to happen is a massive sterilisation programme among people who still think that having 10 kids is a good idea. You are not allowed to diss the travelling community and their culture...... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Oh, you and I will be departing sooner than either of us like to think about.
What needs to happen is a massive sterilisation programme among people who still think that having 10 kids is a good idea.

You are not allowed to diss the travelling community and their culture......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 09 Oct 18 8.50am
Originally posted by serial thriller 1. That is actually a complete myth. That these areas include a lot of s*hole countries? No it isn't....it's a statement of reality. Originally posted by serial thriller Polling done shows that populations in South America and South East Asia view climate change as a far greater threat than we do in the West. [Link] That wasn't any point that I made. It's obvious that climate change is going to affect countries nearer the equator more....so being more concerned about it is just common sense. Originally posted by serial thriller It is also scientifically provable that those contributing the least emissions are going to be affected far more than those, like us, the US and China, who could do something about it. Great logic there serial...you worked out the more developed countries have the larger carbon energy use per human. However, the point was that it's the areas with the largest populations that are quickly developing but still remain relatively poor.....that's who are really going to worsen the climate because it's about energy per human and they breed like rabbits. Originally posted by serial thriller** 2. Do you include the US in this 'shthole' countries category? Don't be ridiculous. The US has issues but it's the greatest country on earth.....if not perhaps as culturally imbued as its founder nation. Originally posted by serial thriller* 3. Could you give us any example of a 'shthole' country that is proving a major obstacle to us combating climate change? The continents of Africa and South America contain many s**ehole countries, especially Africa...and I shouldn't miss out the middle east....I've just said my comment stated that the real problem comes with their rapid development.....which is a good thing...but it comes with rapid increased energy use.....and that's worse for high population areas. As I said....it's technology or bust. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2018 8.51am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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