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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 01 Oct 18 12.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In 1820 94.4 lived in extreme poverty. In 2015 that figure has come down to 9.6. That's capitalism. Without capitalism you'll never have enough money to have any socialist type programmes like free at the point of delivery healthcare and free education and all the other public services. [Link] Not sure I trust those stats. I'm a fan of capitalism myself but between 18.20 and 20.15 poverty's dropped that quickly? That's a hell of a lot in just under two hours. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 01 Oct 18 12.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In 1820 94.4 lived in extreme poverty. In 2015 that figure has come down to 9.6.
That's capitalism.

Without capitalism you'll never have enough money to have any socialist type programmes like free at the point of delivery healthcare and free education and all the other public services.

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Not sure I trust those stats.

I'm a fan of capitalism myself but between 18.20 and 20.15 poverty's dropped that quickly? That's a hell of a lot in just under two hours.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Stirlingsays 01 Oct 18 12.45pm
Originally posted by mezzer Not sure I trust those stats. I'm a fan of capitalism myself but between 18.20 and 20.15 poverty's dropped that quickly? That's a hell of a lot in just under two hours. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

01 Oct 18 12.45pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Not sure I trust those stats.

I'm a fan of capitalism myself but between 18.20 and 20.15 poverty's dropped that quickly? That's a hell of a lot in just under two hours.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Oct 18 1.13pm
Originally posted by croydon proud And without socialism you would never have had free at the point of delivery healthcare and free education and all the other public services! But it's paid for by the capitalist economy.
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Oct 18 1.13pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

And without socialism you would never have had free at the point of delivery healthcare and free education and all the other public services!

But it's paid for by the capitalist economy.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 01 Oct 18 1.24pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle But it's paid for by the capitalist economy. Chicken and egg penge, chicken and egg.
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Any european country i fancy! 01 Oct 18 1.24pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

But it's paid for by the capitalist economy.

Chicken and egg penge, chicken and egg.

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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Oct 18 1.45pm
You don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Any government can care for the sick, poor, elderly etc. in a capitalist system. Governments just need to prioritise their spending. A UK government could raise taxes, cancel HS2 and Trident and use the funds for that purpose. Just because a political party has other priorities doesn't mean that the system is wrong. Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2018 1.46pm) One more point
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Beckenham 01 Oct 18 1.45pm

You don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Any government can care for the sick, poor, elderly etc. in a capitalist system. Governments just need to prioritise their spending. A UK government could raise taxes, cancel HS2 and Trident and use the funds for that purpose.

Just because a political party has other priorities doesn't mean that the system is wrong.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2018 1.46pm)

One more point

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 01 Oct 18 1.49pm
Originally posted by Badger11 You don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Any government can care for the sick, poor, elderly etc. in a capitalist system. Governments just need to prioritise their spending. A UK government could raise taxes, cancel HS2 and Trident and use the funds for that purpose. Just because a political party has other priorities doesn't mean that the system is wrong. They can indeed badger, they can indeed! But some need a little nudge to be so generous, or a great idea put their way, if you get my drift! Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2018 1.46pm)
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Any european country i fancy! 01 Oct 18 1.49pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Just because a political party has other priorities doesn't mean that the system is wrong.
They can indeed badger, they can indeed! But some need a little nudge to be so generous, or a great idea put their way, if you get my drift!

Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2018 1.46pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 Oct 18 1.53pm
Can anyone here define capitalism? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 01 Oct 18 1.53pm

Can anyone here define capitalism?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Oct 18 1.55pm
Originally posted by Badger11 You don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Any government can care for the sick, poor, elderly etc. in a capitalist system. Governments just need to prioritise their spending. A UK government could raise taxes, cancel HS2 and Trident and use the funds for that purpose. Just because a political party has other priorities doesn't mean that the system is wrong. A question of priorities but what is any economic system for but for the benefit of it's people. But on the same lines as you. Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2018 1.46pm)
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Croydon 01 Oct 18 1.55pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Just because a political party has other priorities doesn't mean that the system is wrong.

A question of priorities but what is any economic system for but for the benefit of it's people.

But on the same lines as you.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2018 1.46pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Oct 18 1.56pm
Originally posted by pefwin Can anyone here define capitalism? Is there a limit on the number of words that can be used in making this definition? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 01 Oct 18 1.56pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Can anyone here define capitalism?

Is there a limit on the number of words that can be used in making this definition?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 Oct 18 1.58pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Is there a limit on the number of words that can be used in making this definition? no of course not being a bright boy I know you have a definition better than 'O' level economics. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 01 Oct 18 1.58pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Is there a limit on the number of words that can be used in making this definition?

no of course not being a bright boy I know you have a definition better than 'O' level economics.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Oct 18 2.02pm
Originally posted by pefwin no of course not being a bright boy I know you have a definition better than 'O' level economics. I know it when I see it. Will that do? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 01 Oct 18 2.02pm

Originally posted by pefwin

no of course not being a bright boy I know you have a definition better than 'O' level economics.

I know it when I see it. Will that do?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Deleted11 01 Oct 18 2.03pm
I completely understand the point of social welfare, however, when implemented is rarely done on a 'real' case by case basis and by that I mean if you act a certain way, you can get benefits. Politicians are only interested in % figures and to be honest I would rather Jill next door get £100 a week benefits while working a cash in hand job than Mr. Biznizman not paying taxes on the £1b he's made in this country. There is another fallacy here too, which is always brought up by both cons and labour (mainly Labour), which is to focus attention on the rich to super rich and how their billions could pay for this that and the other. The problem, as I see it, is; What should the limit on wealth be? How do you control that? Once you've taken their wealth away, which is just wealth and not actually money in the bank, what do you do when you've used it all up? By my calculations, the top 100 richest people don't even come up to half the debt of the uk, at around £750B. Unless I'm missing something, that would not solve a lot of problems in the long term.
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Deleted11 01 Oct 18 2.03pm

I completely understand the point of social welfare, however, when implemented is rarely done on a 'real' case by case basis and by that I mean if you act a certain way, you can get benefits. Politicians are only interested in % figures and to be honest I would rather Jill next door get £100 a week benefits while working a cash in hand job than Mr. Biznizman not paying taxes on the £1b he's made in this country.
There is another fallacy here too, which is always brought up by both cons and labour (mainly Labour), which is to focus attention on the rich to super rich and how their billions could pay for this that and the other.
The problem, as I see it, is; What should the limit on wealth be? How do you control that? Once you've taken their wealth away, which is just wealth and not actually money in the bank, what do you do when you've used it all up?
By my calculations, the top 100 richest people don't even come up to half the debt of the uk, at around £750B. Unless I'm missing something, that would not solve a lot of problems in the long term.

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